John Lennon

[nebula]

Nebula,

I will gladly elaborate. One, Lennon's fascination with Christ is well documented. He kept a diary towards the end of his life. That diary was taken by Seamen and given to Rosen. According to the diary Lennon started watching Billy Graham and proclaiming, "praise the Lord' which irritated Yoko who was and is heavily into the occults. During that time John actually went to Jerusalem to Gethsemane and claimed to feel some of Christ

[oak]

I hope your surgery goes well. I understand you admire this person, no quarrel there. I can tell you truthfully I enjoyed some of their music, until they got silly.

I too have had my hero's, one's that were totally into the world. I choose now not to glorify them. I wish there were shades of gray, but this is not so.

I believe that we are our brothers keeper, and our greatest sins are those that lead others into sin. When the Lord said it is better to tie a millstone around your neck and cast it into the sea, than to lead one of My children astray, it was not in reference to little kids...we are all His children, regardless of age.

Yes, our Lord died for everyone, but ultimately it is up to us to choose.

The fate of Lennon's soul is in the hands of God.

I pray Father that you will watch over Oak during his surgery, strengthen him and give him peace, and if it be thy will heal him I ask this in Jesus name amen.

Hunterpoet:

Thank you for you wonderful prayer. Also, know I can admire Napoleon for his military genius, Nabokov for his writing but that has nothing to do with my spiritual views on them.

- Oak

[oak]

I think I understand your perspective a little. There's something about death that opens a door to the spirit realm, and when you are peering through that door . . . everything takes on a different perspective. I've noticed this each time a friend or family member died. I peer through the door. Things seem different. There's a sobering effect to it. I can only imagine how you are feeling affected.

Prayers

Nebula:

You lost me a bit in regards to my perspective. Loosely, the post was about a soul

[oak]

John Lennon was not raised by his parents. He was raised by his Aunt Mimi. As a young child Lennon did not know his father. His mother was a very loose woman who had little time for a small child. While still a young boy, his father who had been absent for a couple of years, suddenly turned up and Lennon was forced to decide if he wanted to stay with his mother in England or go with his father to New Zealand. He initially chose his father though he hardly knew him, but switched to his mother when she became visibly upset. Keep in mind he was only 4 or 5 years old at the time. How traumatic could this be?

Shortly after he decided to stay with his mother, his mother remarried and because she had a "new family" he was sent to live with his Aunt Mimi...his mother's sister. Lennon and his mother were only beginning to repair their relationship when his mother (Julia) was hit by a car and died. At this time Lennon was in his late teens.

Wow KathyAnn:

Correct, impressive and humbles me because I'm the expert (LOL). I would only add that Aunt Mimi was not a warm person.

- Oak

[Botz]

Hi Oak....Hope the surgery goes well for you, and may the L-rd sustain, encourage and bring healing to you through this difficult time.

I think quite often, particularly amongst Christians, there is an almost triumphant need to find a glimmer of hope in the lives of fallen idols...many of them totally decadent, debauched and hedonistic...just to show that G-d can and does save even the worst of apparent sinners (although to the world they are still heroes).

I noticed this after the death of Elvis Presley, who to be fair, had a religious back-ground, but who ultimately endorsed the ways of the world...Steve McQueen became a Catholic before he died...etc etc.

I hope John did having a saving faith, just like the thief on the cross, but his legacy here on earth continues and I rank his song 'Imagine' top of my hated song lists, followed closely by Frank Sinatra's 'My Way'....although I liked the tune of 'Imagine'...imagine what it might have been like with different words...

Imagine (with no apologies to the deceased)

Imagine when in Heaven

Its easy if you try

No pain or sorrow

Regrets of time gone by

Imagine all the people

Living for that day...

Imagine there's no suffering

It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for

And no indifference too

Imagine all the people

Living life in Peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer

but I'm not the only one

I hope some day you'll join us

As the L-rd will make us one

Imagine no possessions

I wonder if you can

No need for greed or hunger

Loved by the Son of Man

Imagine all the people

Sharing this new world...

You may say I'm a dreamer

but I'm not the only one

I hope some day you'll join us

As the L-rd will make us one

In Messiah. Botz

[Hunterpoet]

What do I think.

I think John Lennon was raised by his parents, as were the rest of the Beatles.

I think you have clearly stated all the reasons why this " crazy fan " thought Lennon was evil. I do not condone what he did, but pretty hard to argue against his reasons.

I'm glad you can discern that what Lennon did with most of his life was wrong, but what about the millions of others who did not and followed, or tried to, in his footsteps.

Why should I believe that a few words in a song is somehow a secret message to his true feelings and heart. I know him only by his fruits and these fruits did not glorify God.

The man reaped what he sowed.

John Lennon was not raised by his parents. He was raised by his Aunt Mimi. As a young child Lennon did not know his father. His mother was a very loose woman who had little time for a small child. While still a young boy, his father who had been absent for a couple of years, suddenly turned up and Lennon was forced to decide if he wanted to stay with his mother in England or go with his father to New Zealand. He initially chose his father though he hardly knew him, but switched to his mother when she became visibly upset. Keep in mind he was only 4 or 5 years old at the time. How traumatic could this be?

Shortly after he decided to stay with his mother, his mother remarried and because she had a "new family" he was sent to live with his Aunt Mimi...his mother's sister. Lennon and his mother were only beginning to repair their relationship when his mother (Julia) was hit by a car and died. At this time Lennon was in his late teens.

i stand corrected, but he did know who his parents were.

[irishcowboy]

towards the end of his life converted to Christianity via Billy Graham for a very short time.

Huh? Never heard of this.

Would you please elaborate?

And what do you mean by "for a short time"?

short time, meaning he did not stay a Christian, he repented his christianity, rejected it. as for it being Billy Grahm, it was not according to this article.

Christianity today

we have to keep in mind, he is not here to verify, he may in fact be with the Lord, I do not know for sure, all i know is what the media has had to offer, never met the man, have had no desire to have met him, just was not an idol of mine, nor a mentor.

if anything, out of the beatles, ringo would have been the one i think i liked the best. John was delving into witch craft and sorts and well, to tell you the truth, even as a child, i knew enough to stay away from that sort of thing and to stay clear of those practicing....

the article the link is for is 3 or 4 pages long, and well, it even talks about how John had dreams of demons coming and going through him (an empty temple).....

what do we believe?

if John died as a Christian, Great.... if not, there is nothing I or anyone else can do that will change that. I hope he did, will not know while on this present earth......

mike

[traveller]

Your link doesn't work, mike.

[irishcowboy]

Your link doesn't work, mike.

lets see if this works.... sheeeshmaybe one of these days.... lol

"When asked in 1980 about his response to Dylan's conversion, John was less than honest. He said he was surprised that "old Bobby boy did go that way," but "if he needs it, let him do it." His only objection, he said, was that Dylan was presenting Christ as the only way. He disliked this because "There isn't one answer to anything." This is why he favored Buddhism. It didn't proselytize. In what can now be seen as an allusion to his own born-again period, which hadn't yet been made public, he said, "But I understand it. I understand him completely, how he got in there, because I've been frightened enough myself to want to latch onto something."" (from Christianity today jan 2007 vol 51 web only (edition))

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/j....0.html?start=4

[traveller]

We never know what transpires between man and God and can only see the resulting effects. However, if Lennon, in the end, was truly born-again into the kingdom, then we can remember Matt 20: 1-16