What does a Nation under Judgement look like?

[traveller]

You are asking us???

Sorry, but with your knowledge of scripture, you are one person that I would never of thought would be asking this question. May I humbly suggest you take a closer look at the history of Israel. Saying that, I am not sure what you mean by full judgment.

God Bless,

Alan

He's not asking because he doesn't know. I believe he's opening a dialogue.

... OK ... I'll just sit in the corner now and learn ... sorry ... how stupid of me ...

You are FAR from stupid brother, and you hav eno reason to apologize.

[kross]

Throughout the Bible, the one constant factor of a nation under judgement has been that GOD turns them over to the godless. In the case of Israel, it was by forceful attack and captivity.

In our nation today, it is by the godless minority being able to assert rule over the Christian majority and leading up to Christians being in the minority.

Grace to you,

Would it be the godless minority's fault or the complacency of the "Christian" majority to blame? (note Christian is in quotes)

Peace,

Dave

I believe it would be the judgement of GOD as a result of the stagnant nature of the Christian community. I am a believer in 2 Chron. 7:17

[Guest Yacov]

Dear Kross,

I think that you are on to something. What do you think that it would take to get the righteous community out of stagnation mode?

Yacov

[kross]

Dear Kross,

I think that you are on to something. What do you think that it would take to get the righteous community out of stagnation mode?

Yacov

The second coming of CHRIST, the Rapture, a new Heaven and a new earth.

As much as it may cause a fuss to say this, it is GOD's intention that the downward spiral continue until HE brings the world to an end.

The best we can do is preach and teach and do as individuals as much as we can in the empowerment GOD has given us. As a whole, things will continue down. We have some ability to effect our personal Jerusalem. Stand firm, work hard, teach truth.

[Massorite]

Dear Kross,

I think that you are on to something. What do you think that it would take to get the righteous community out of stagnation mode?

Yacov

The second coming of CHRIST, the Rapture, a new Heaven and a new earth.

As much as it may cause a fuss to say this, it is GOD's intention that the downward spiral continue until HE brings the world to an end.

The best we can do is preach and teach and do as individuals as much as we can in the empowerment GOD has given us. As a whole, things will continue down. We have some ability to effect our personal Jerusalem. Stand firm, work hard, teach truth.

I agree with you kross but I believe that there will be a hard core revival in the middle of great tribulation that is to come.

[Guest Yacov]

Dear Kross,

I think that you are on to something. What do you think that it would take to get the righteous community out of stagnation mode?

Yacov

The second coming of CHRIST, the Rapture, a new Heaven and a new earth.

As much as it may cause a fuss to say this, it is GOD's intention that the downward spiral continue until HE brings the world to an end.

The best we can do is preach and teach and do as individuals as much as we can in the empowerment GOD has given us. As a whole, things will continue down. We have some ability to effect our personal Jerusalem. Stand firm, work hard, teach truth.

I agree with you kross but I believe that there will be a hard core revival in the middle of great tribulation that is to come.

I agree with both of you. However, because of the signs in the heavens above, please look out for 21 Dec. 2012, 2014/2015. If what scientists have calculated to happen, something major will happen in the fall/winter of 2012 and on several Feasts of the L-rd - Passover, and all 3 Fall Feasts both of the last 2 years and it will not ever happen again in this century on any Feasts of the L-rd nor Jewish Feasts/Holy Days. I am not stating that Our Messiah comes on any of those dates, however, I suggest being a Wise Virgin during these coming days.

I also agree that there will be a revival during this time. It will happen, however, AFTER the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt and the High Priests are doing their heavenly ordained duties. There will be more power given to beleivers in those days because EVERYTHING in scripture will come to pass and be accomplished. The Jewish people will not see who Our Messiah is until the Temple is Restored and the Sacrificial System is restored and functioning properly again. Then Hashem will restore complete salvation to the Jews in a way that I do not think ANYONE living can fathom.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Do you think that the people of Israel who were about to go under full Judgement and in fact were in the early and later phases of it knew it in those days? Do you think there were believers who knew it?

If not, why not?

Peace,

Dave

[nebula]

Do you think that the people of Israel who were about to go under full Judgement and in fact were in the early and later phases of it knew it in those days? Do you think there were believers who knew it?

The prophets knew (i.e. Jeremiah), and there was likely a remnant who were heading the words of the prophets.

Other than that, it doesn't look like it.

[Guest Yacov]

Grace to you,

Do you think that the people of Israel who were about to go under full Judgement and in fact were in the early and later phases of it knew it in those days? Do you think there were believers who knew it?

If not, why not?

Peace,

Dave

Shalom to you Dave!

Yes and no. There definately were righteous Jews who heeding the Word of ADONAI. The unrighteous knew, yet they did not know.

The same goes for today. There are thousands of righteous Jews and Rabbis most go unreported for obvious reasons. They too know the signs of the times today. They see it in the righteous gentiles coming to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of the L-rd called Tabernacles. This has not been done since around 325 CE or 365 CE when the church abandoned its roots due to persecution. They see it in what is happening in Israel today for what is happening now happened when Joshua took the Promised Land. They see it because the Sanhedrin had to be reformed in order to annoint the Messiah with oil. There is an earthly Messiah coming on the scene soon in Israel - very soon. And then, sudden destruction will happen. Then you know the rest of the story.

[traveller]

Grace to you,

Do you think that the people of Israel who were about to go under full Judgement and in fact were in the early and later phases of it knew it in those days? Do you think there were believers who knew it?

If not, why not?

Peace,

Dave

Shalom to you Dave!

Yes and no. There definately were righteous Jews who heeding the Word of ADONAI. The unrighteous knew, yet they did not know.

The same goes for today. There are thousands of righteous Jews and Rabbis most go unreported for obvious reasons. They too know the signs of the times today. They see it in the righteous gentiles coming to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of the L-rd called Tabernacles. This has not been done since around 325 CE or 365 CE when the church abandoned its roots due to persecution. They see it in what is happening in Israel today for what is happening now happened when Joshua took the Promised Land. They see it because the Sanhedrin had to be reformed in order to annoint the Messiah with oil. There is an earthly Messiah coming on the scene soon in Israel - very soon. And then, sudden destruction will happen. Then you know the rest of the story.

Tell me more about the gentiles coming to Israel to celebrate the feast of Tabernacles. Do the Jews resent that?

Also - what happened in 325 CE?