Suicide by Christians

[RebekahDavid]

blessings,

okay i am going to say this once again - the poster was asking for advice on how to comfort a grieving parent. not a debate on osas.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

[kross]

blessings,

okay i am going to say this once again - the poster was asking for advice on how to comfort a grieving parent. not a debate on osas.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

This is a quote from the person who made the post;

i think the question that i am asking is the assurance of salvation. I have always believe that God is the author and the surety of salvation and it does not depend on what the person does. Isn't Christ sacrifice good for the past, present and future

[sheya joie]

My advice for when comforting someone who is grieving:

Before you go to them, read the Book of Job. Take it to heart that the only time Job's friends who gave to comfort him really did comfort him... was the first seven days when they didn't open their mouths yet.

[sheya joie]

Btw, this verse just came to mind:

Gen 18:25b ...Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

Yes, yes He will.

[Guest HIS girl]

blessings,

okay i am going to say this once again - the poster was asking for advice on how to comfort a grieving parent. not a debate on osas.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

Which is exactly what I gave in my first post on this thread. I gave advice on how to support a grieving parent.

[Shiloh62]

I have a friend whose son just comitted suicide. He is a devoted Christian and is so depressed and believes that because his son commited suicide that he is lost. I do not necessary believe that in that i think suicide is like any other sins committed by christians and that there is no sin that cannot be covered by the Blood of Jesus. Man i don't even know how to comfort this Christian father.

May God be with you and comfort you in this time of sorrow

[Smalcald]

Part of suicidal ideation is the idea that death is better than the hell I am going through now; a form of mental torture; thus death can only be better. Now this is the thinking of despair and clinical depression, a sickness of the mind commonly called Mental illness and it needs to be treated and can be treated in many cases.

Would fear of hell prevent some suicide? This is the question we are looking at.

I don't know the answer. I do know that man has somewhat of a point as I have seen Christians often teen's who are considering suicide be very very interested in the answer to this very question, which is very disturbing and something for us to think about before we answer.

Like I said I don't have a good answer, just that we need to really think about this a little. One answer would be to point people in the direction of the severe pain that all suicide causes, consider the case of the op. Suicide is murder, it is self murder, God gave us a life and only God has the right to take that life back.

If you relieve a person of the burdens that weigh them down, if you can show them that GOD chose them as one of HIS children, if you can explain to them that their efforts to do that which is impossible will only cause them grief, then you have the potential of beginning to break through the despare, even the despare of mental illness (which is sometimes demonic/spiritual) and you can start a healing process.

Very few people can be scared out of hell or death or suicide. But, many can be unburdened and helped to find that place of spiritual conquest that leads to life.

Perhaps the simple knowledge that they do not have to live up to any expectations with regard to JESUS will make them realize that living for HIM is better than dieing for self.

I think fear of hell is a strong motivator for many people. There is nothing wrong with having a fear of hell, there is nothing wrong with having a faith in Christ simply becuase you do not wish to burn in hell.

However on suicide I would respond that scripture does not address this issue at all, so there is no way we could say IF you commit suicide you will go to hell, but also we could NOT promise heaven either and should not promise heaven.

I think the advice given on the nature of God and what He has done on the cross for us would be the best as someone suggested I think EricH.

[givennewname]

I am not sure if Hell would be a sufficient deterrent for suicide as often the person involved is not int the frame of mind to think straight. Anyway the person who is considering suicide is not the person being consoled here, rather it is the person who is the family who is grieving at the moment so whether hell is a deterrence is not the issue at the moment.

Now in the case of OSAS issue, this is what I do think at the moment.

Justification by faith alone involves the process of a person's legal standing before God. It involves a process where a person is adopted as a son of God. Sanctification is a process performed by the Holy Spirit is a process where the person gets to be more and more like Jesus and does not complete until we are dead.

A person who is justified do not lose his legal standing every time he sins. I remember a friend of mine who has been water baptised 7 times because he thinks he has lost his salvation every time he backslides. A person may lose the close fellowship when ever he sins but he does not lose his adoption as a son of God every time he sins. I take an earthly example in that a father may be angry whenever his son does something wrong, may even kick in out of the house but his birth certificate still testify that the person is still his son and that his mother still gave birth to him does not change.

While it is true that in a case of suicide, the person cannot confess his sin, but that is not a prerequisite for forgiveness of sins. The blood of Jesus is. I do not confess each and every sin or i may not even be conscious of every sin i have performed but i know that the blood of Jesus covers each and every unconfessed sin.

Suicide is not a mortal sin as the Roman Catholic church believes. Every sin can be fogiven, and only one particular sin can remain unforgiven accroding to Jesus, suicide is not the sin mentioned.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

The salvation was between the child, and God....none of us will know till eternity.

[givennewname]

The salvation was between the child, and God....none of us will know till eternity.

We can be sure of eternal life if we trust in Jesus to get us there. If we rely on Good works, then i cannot be sure.