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When the Scripture is boiled down to opinion- the Scriptures can no longer lead but opinion of man does! This is really what happens when the work of study/contextualizing is ignored and is intuitions or feelings, that of flesh takes over... The proper hermeneutic is 1. grammar=what is it exactly saying to the rules of written formation. 2. contextualization - who, what, where, when, why, how. 3. derived application. 4. brought forward to present applied... It is with very much common sense to do so as God chose writing... and grammar applies to all language ... then context is most of common sense for the example: say I write down of 10 pieces of paper 'come over and sit on my lap baby' and pass it out to 10 different people. Asking what they think it means. With our sexually charged world the probability would be high some connotation to that influence. But when the proper hermeneutic is applied they learn it is a father speaking to his daughter across the room! Do the work and you have the highest chance of understanding what the written passage is conveying as thus sayeth The Lord... it is an obedience to God 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) [15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. [16] But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. [17] And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; [18] Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. [19] Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. [20] But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. [21] If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV) [15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Just in case you have any doubt in the leading of Scripture this way God speaks directly to the fact here John 17:17 (KJV) [17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

2 Peter 3:11 (KJV) [11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, [12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. [14] Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. This will occur at the Great White Throne judgment Revelation 20:11 (KJV) [11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. What God says >will< be~whether it is ignored or not! So anyone trying to bring anything of the first creation into the eternal state will suffer the loss of such for it will not be there not even the memory of such Isaiah 65:17 (KJV) [17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 1 Corinthians 13:8 (KJV) [8] Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. [9] For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [10] But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. Revelation 21:1 (KJV) [21:1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. [4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Just as God has said John 12:48 (KJV) [48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. all will pass through this fire of God's proving and anything foundationed on this first creation will suffer loss! Now how beautiful it is to see the proper context at the judgment seat of Christ 1 Corinthians 3:12 (KJV) [12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

@Mr. M I really object to improper usage of quotation The proper quote was and your ignoring of Jn 12:48 is noted John 12:48 (KJV) [48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. as anyone with basic skills of grammar can attest that God expects those who receiveth not His words to understand they will be judged by those very words in the end! Or better God expects them, the unsaved, to understand those words and this is what will shut their mouths in the judgment. Rom 3;9-20; Rom 1:18-32 the error of discounting the power of God's Word Hebrews 4:12 (KJV) [12] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. As to do so is to deny the work of The Holy Spirit and the power there of...

@Mr. M I noticed you didn't answer this question ... will you?

yet God, Himself, has said 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) [15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Matthew 7:16 (KJV) [16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. What a man produces so is he... It has all been written down and everyone by this fact is accountable John 12:48 (KJV) [48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. saying God prevents people from understanding unless regenerated is a calvinistic teaching that I myself do not support... How else can He say what he has here? John 12:48 (KJV) [48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. This can only be understood that all will give an account to what God has written as His Word to all mankind!

We are to use the Scripture to form our new minds on s/Spiritual matters and I have elaborated on this in past with you and seems without a dent in conversation of such... so a shorter list will be what of now will be in the eternal state? That is the Spiritual value system of God by the way!

2 Peter 1:20 (KJV) [20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. When Jesus called him what He called him there was no more no less than Judas himsle in view... that is the gramatical build on the subject...

The whole of your post is violating that division that exists with Spirit, since Act 2, and natural elements of this world that will be burnt up and forgotten... this error will cause one to come to incorrect conclusions about the nature of Spirit and flesh...

Due to the obedience to God Revelation 1:19 (KJV) [19] Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; I believe by this Scripture John wrote: things which thou hast seen - The Gospel of John the things which are - The first 4 chapters of Revelation things which shall be hereafter - The rest of Revelation 4-22 The writing came closely together thus all contain a 90ish date of writing... The Gospel was preserved perfectly by the power of The Holy Spirit as John wrote it nearly 60 years after the events He witnessed... John 14:26 (KJV) [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. This is a foundation for comment on the verse you are justifying from God that all should or could hear from God audibly The immediate context of this is the Jews and Pharisees had earlier heard He being The Good Sheperd discourse now have come to the temple of the feast of dedication and the Jews demanding He speak clearly of Him being the messiah... The whole grammatical flow of the passage is the immediate now of then .... thus, He is referencing those who actually heard Jesus, in flesh, vocal words at that time... there absolutely no passage support that He is referencing all sheep of all time... In fact: The OT pattern at the time of and since Moses God spoke to prophets and they in turn wrote down God's Words to them... even suggested same coming into into the NT Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV) (1) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, [2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; And this was written down by John like suggested above by God's inspiration Jn 14:26 You are taking your ideas of literal audio to the ears and foisting them upon the Scripture which is eisegesis not exegesis... which is improper hermeneutic to arrive at thus sayeth The Lord...

There is a lot of things our minds can imagine... but the written grammar and context does not support any of what your thinking... let God's Word speak for God...

@Marathoner How do you determine that the voice you are hearing is from g/God?

To be of s/Spirit one's heart is joined with the things of value that reside in God's heart and the flesh and the world God holds nothing for either... 1 John 2:15 (KJV) [15] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

sorry but this is not your chair alone! 1 Corinthians 8:2 (KJV) [2] And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. As this verse indicates >no man< has perfect knowledge and won't till we leave this place so you don't get the dense seat alone! we all own a chunk of it... I was referring to the fact that none of any of this will be retained in the eternal state Isaiah 65:17 (KJV) [17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 1 Corinthians 13:8 (KJV) [8] Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. Revelation 21:1 (KJV) [21:1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. [4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. As making all things new I take very literally for the Isa passage says the former things will no longer come to mind... Thus, fulfilling the perfect unchanging will of God from all eternity -sin never had place in His eternal realm... and why we are considered in fulfillment of this verse below as well Matthew 19:14 (KJV) [14] But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. Is it not the good son to not look back to what is being burnt up and forgotten, a major understanding of Lot's wife, but forward to that which shall never end... part of that flesh verse s/Spirit stuff we talked about earlier... Luke 9:62 (KJV) [62] And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. and why John warns us of this 1 John 2:15 (KJV) [15] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. As we know ->that which is kept is of God and that which is not kept is not of God...

The creation introduces to all mankind that God 'IS'... Romans 1:20 (KJV) [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: However, His written Word, the work of The Holy Spirit, leads us in The Who of that 'IS'... John 17:17 (KJV) [17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV) [15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

I think that was a good point! And as in s/Spirit would be the eternal keeping yet the absolute of everything of here, creation, is being taken away and forgotten leaves only child like ignorance of what that will exactly be... 1 John 3:2 (KJV) [2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.