The End of Marriage!

[Blien]

I think this to show that the time for this prophecy to take place is near...

1 Timothy 4

1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,

and

Isaiah 4:1

For seven women will take hold of one man in that day, saying, "We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name; take away our reproach!"

[Matthitjah]

Let them (unbelievers) have civil unions and the Church have marriages.

I think all people reguardless have civil rights. Would you be happy to have had less civil rights because you were not a Christian or belonged to a Church ?

When did homosexual marriage become a civil right? Please explain.

[Leonard]

In a paper published March 2 in the San Francisco Chronicle, two law professors from Pepperdine University issued a call to re-examine the role the government plays in marriage. The authors - one of whom voted for and one against Proposition 8, which ended gay marriage in California - say the best way out of the intractable legal wars over gay marriage is to take marriage out of the hands of the government altogether.

Instead, give gay and straight couples alike the same license, a certificate confirming them as a family, and call it a civil union - anything, really, other than marriage. For people who feel the word marriage is important, the next stop after the courthouse could be the church, where they could bless their union with all the religious ceremony they wanted. Religions would lose nothing of their role in sanctioning the kinds of unions that they find in keeping with their tenets. And for nonbelievers and those who find the word marriage less important, the civil-union license issued by the state would be all they needed to unlock the benefits reserved in most states and in federal law for married couples.

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Sooo, now there is a push to eliminate marriage altogether.

If this occurs, would those who marry in the church and get the civil union certificate view the marriage as something sanctified by God, or would they feel less of a commitment to their relationship and divorce/ dissolve the civil union at an even higher rate? How would this be viewed by our Lord? Ho do you all feel about this?

Let the dead marry (or 'civilly unionize!') their dead. The Church still WEDS people!

[JCISGD]

Let them (unbelievers) have civil unions and the Church have marriages.

I think all people reguardless have civil rights. Would you be happy to have had less civil rights because you were not a Christian or belonged to a Church ?

When did homosexual marriage become a civil right? Please explain.

Not the right to marry, but to have their rights covered by a civil union. I Meant they are going to live this lifestyle anyway, and unless you are proposing some measure to stop that, then like the homeless,the destitute and mentally disturbed etc i think they have the right to protect their assests etc in the case of their union, despite how unpalatable that is to me.

[JCISGD]

An argument that god does not exist:

1. God is a perfect being by definition.

2. By definition everything done or created by a perfect being is also perfect.

3. Humans as well as the rest of the known universe is not perfect.

4. God did not create the universe or humans.

5. God doesn't exist.

Hi EJ, sorry but your definition of perfection is imperfect. Perhaps we could discuss it more if you wish?

heres an arguement God does exist.

Rom 1:20 1.For since the CREATION of the world

2. His INVISIBLE attributes are CLEARLY seen

3. Being UNDERSTOOD by the things He MADE

4. EVEN His eternal power and GODHEAD

5. So that THEY are WITHOUT excuse.

Edited March 19, 2009 by JCISGD

[Matthitjah]

Let them (unbelievers) have civil unions and the Church have marriages.

I think all people reguardless have civil rights. Would you be happy to have had less civil rights because you were not a Christian or belonged to a Church ?

When did homosexual marriage become a civil right? Please explain.

Not the right to marry, but to have their rights covered by a civil union. I Meant they are going to live this lifestyle anyway, and unless you are proposing some measure to stop that, then like the homeless,the destitute and mentally disturbed etc i think they have the right to protect their assests etc in the case of their union, despite how unpalatable that is to me.

Yes,

But in granting them the right to civilly Wed you are extending them rights that they otherwise shouldn't have. You are then arguing for them to possess civil rights. Civil rights for the black person would be justified. However, civil rights for the homosexual are not. They already are afforded all the rights pertaining to everyone else. By allowing a civil right to Wed you create a special class of rights based upon a proclivity.

Are you prepared to go there and also prepared to deal with all that will follow that?

Peace,

Dave

[Smalcald]

This is an interesting topic.

I would like to discuss the intersection of civil, legal, and spiritual underpinnings of marriage in the US. Hopefully we can do it without acrimony.

It is complex and scripturally kind of unclear, which is why we argue about it.

Gay marriage of course is not scripturally unlcear; that is not what I meant, what I mean is the role of the state in Christian marriage if any? What is the role of the Church in Chrisitian Marriage? What examples does scripture give of how marriage is structured?

[tigger398]

My turn My turn, If you live together without marriage that would be fornication right, and you go to hell for that right, Jesus said if you love me obey, it really makes me said, it just proves that no one loves the lord enough to obey him. If God say you are to be married then we as christians not only should we obey, but we should fight for what God says, and he says that we should be married right, can't we write to congress to keep marriages. I mean my opinion is that if a gov. takes away marriage cause of homosexuality is like um a cowards way out.

[Believer1997]

My turn My turn, If you live together without marriage that would be fornication right, and you go to hell for that right, Jesus said if you love me obey, it really makes me said, it just proves that no one loves the lord enough to obey him. If God say you are to be married then we as christians not only should we obey, but we should fight for what God says, and he says that we should be married right, can't we write to congress to keep marriages. I mean my opinion is that if a gov. takes away marriage cause of homosexuality is like um a cowards way out.

Uh... if you figure out how to simply "write to congress" and have them do anything toward a Christian agenda.... let us know. I don't follow the "coward's way out", but it's late in the day and I'm not drinking coffee this afternoon....

[tigger398]

My turn My turn, If you live together without marriage that would be fornication right, and you go to hell for that right, Jesus said if you love me obey, it really makes me said, it just proves that no one loves the lord enough to obey him. If God say you are to be married then we as christians not only should we obey, but we should fight for what God says, and he says that we should be married right, can't we write to congress to keep marriages. I mean my opinion is that if a gov. takes away marriage cause of homosexuality is like um a cowards way out.

Uh... if you figure out how to simply "write to congress" and have them do anything toward a Christian agenda.... let us know. I don't follow the "coward's way out", but it's late in the day and I'm not drinking coffee this afternoon....

ok i guess that was to much. sorry