Absolute Truth - True or False?

[sysvr4]

You have me confused with your disagreement. You only used different examples then I did, but are saying the same thing? Maybe I used bad examples?

No, the examples you used had nothing to do with the differences between absolute and realtive truth.

You seem to be questioning my example of relative truth. So, let me use another example that is more clear cut. One group believes it is a sin not to worship on the Sabbath while another does not. To those who see it as sin, it becomes sin to them. To those who don't, it does not. Why? One group honors that day for the Lord and stands upon the 4th Commandment for proof, so if they break it, to them it is sin. The other group believes that Christ came to fulfill all the laws and Prophets, giving us a new covenant where we are free to worship any day we will, for the sabbath is made for men, not man for the sabbath. Both based in scripture. Who is right? Each hold to their own relative truth.

Again, that is not an example of relative truth.

Absolute truth and relative truth do not pertain to differences of opinon, tradition, religious observance and so forth.

What we are dealing with in terms of what truth is, are behavioral pardaigms. REAL Truth is always fixed. "Relative truth" is a human concoction. The Bible deals solely with truth in an absolute sense, which is why the moral code the Bible contains is so offensive to human nature.

Absolute truth implies accountability. Accountablity indicates that that we are responsible beofore SOMEONE for our actions. So, the response of mankind is to deny the existence of absolute truth, thus removing (at least one's own mind) the reality of potential accountability. Truth then becomes a matter of opinion and behavior becomes a matter of personal prefence and no single preference is more right or wrong than any other. Thus, homosexuality is seen as being as normal and healthy as hetrosexuality. So long as your actions don't infringe on the preferences of someone else or cause them harm, then you free to practice whatever form of "morality" that your heart dictates.

So, what is the definition of relative truth? Edited to add that I am thinking of postmodernism.

I believe the term "relative truth" may be a misnomer. The concept as presented appears poorly understood.

[OneLight]

I believe the term "relative truth" may be a misnomer. The concept as presented appears poorly understood.

I guess that would depend on how it is used. In today's society, postmodernism, truth by those who are postmodern is held as relative, meaning that my truth is for me and your truth is for you, both are true to each of us, making it relative to who we are and what we believe.

[OneLight]

So, what is the definition of relative truth? Edited to add that I am thinking of postmodernism.

Well, I think I accurately presented relative truth. It is "truth" based on individual situations, and individual paradigms or frames of reference.

A person caught in relative truth would say there are no moral absolutes. Relative truth leads to the "if it feels good, do it" type of mentality. Everything is relative therefore, there no absolutes that define reality. Reality is whatever you make it or believe it to be.

Thus relative truth is the rejection of biblical concept of sin.

Exactly. I agree.

[sysvr4]

I believe the term "relative truth" may be a misnomer. The concept as presented appears poorly understood.

I guess that would depend on how it is used. In today's society, postmodernism, truth by those who are postmodern is held as relative, meaning that my truth is for me and your truth is for you, both are true to each of us, making it relative to who we are and what we believe.

Wouldn't that necessarily exclude the "you" as a matter of purely subjective perception?

[OneLight]

I believe the term "relative truth" may be a misnomer. The concept as presented appears poorly understood.

I guess that would depend on how it is used. In today's society, postmodernism, truth by those who are postmodern is held as relative, meaning that my truth is for me and your truth is for you, both are true to each of us, making it relative to who we are and what we believe.

Wouldn't that necessarily exclude the "you" as a matter of purely subjective perception?

In a way yes, but it is relative that it is your truth compared to what truth is measured by, but subjective in that it is you.

[OneLight]

Absolute Truth= false.

LOL ... are you absolutely sure of that?

[MorningGlory]

Absolute Truth= false.

The 'false' will become apparent, hopefully before it's too late.....I will pray for you to see the Truth; which IS absolute.

[Massorite]

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, friends and colleagues,

The other night, I was lying in bed and I had a restless sleep. My mind kept racing through an endless loop of questions regarding the subject of, "Absolute Truth."

I have heard the arguments on both sides. They sound something like this:

Argument 1: Some people say that there is no such thing as absolute truth and what is true for me may not be true for you.

Argument 2: Some people say that absolute truth is absolutely true.

The question remains, how can we be absolutely sure about the absoluteness of absolute truth?

I personally have always believed in absolute truth. But for some reason, my brain wouldn't shut up and let me sleep -- My brain seemed to have a mind of its own and it wanted to absolutely define absolute truth.

During my restless slumber, I envisioned a flow chart (those who know me also know my fondness for visual aids). My mind raced through each potential process and decision until I could take it no longer.

I jumped to my feet, popped open my favorite flowcharting software (OmniGraffle) and I worked up the flow chart I had been dreaming about. Through the use of this flow chart, I came to a very interesting, LOGICAL conclusion regarding the subject of absolute truth.

I then opened up the New Oxford Dictionary to see how it defined the words, "Absolute" and "Truth." Within the definition was a reference to the Oxford American Writer's Thesaurus with a description for the phrase "The Absolute Truth." The definitions contained therein confirmed the conclusion that I had arrived at on my own.

Without further ado, I would like to share with you my findings in the form of a flow chart.

http://www.sonic.net/~caine/absolute_truth...olute_truth.jpg

Take a peek. I think you will find it very interesting.

Thanks for reading this far.

The only absolute truth I know of is that which is in the word of God. Outside of the word of God there is none.

[WolfBitn]

The question is all by itself a paradox proving absolute truth...

If there IS no absolute truth, then this in itself would BE an absolute truth

i believe this makes the score approximately:

Team Christ/God - 985,492,920,321,932,093,520,966

Team Hitchens - 0

[PhoenixJLD]

Absolute Truth= false.

But you just made an absolute statement... if absolute truth is false, then so is your statement... but that makes absolute truth true!

Logically, any way you look at it, there must be some sort of absolute truth. What is subjective is our interpretation of truth. What we understand to be true can be stretched, twisted and changed - but always, the absolute, real truth is there to be discovered.