Men and Women in GOD's image?

[Ovedya]

Some people have a supernumerary rib connected to C7. It is a cause of condition known as thoracic outlet syndrome.

Oh!

Well why didn't you say so in the first place?

Though I have "heard" one in twenty people have an extra rib...this is just hearsay. But ahhh, yes! CRS (Cervical Rib Syndrome), have read about that. Usually though, it is bilateral, so If I am not mistaken, this would be an extra "pair" opposed to an extra "rib". But I am by no means an expert and have never rub across this in my practice.

Wait, why are we talking about this?!?! LOL

Sorry, people start talking medically and I have to jump in.

It is a very small number, yes. But the way I understand it, it's usually just one side or the other.

[Gauntlet]

What about transgendered and intersexed individuals? WHat should we make of them in light of God's image as male / female? Within one person, it's possible to have a perfect blending of male and female. The Creator may not have intended for humans to be this way, but here they are nonetheless. Their existence can't be denied. Is it Satan's doing? Is it random accident? I've wondered about this for a long time.

[Murse32]

What about transgendered and intersexed individuals? WHat should we make of them in light of God's image as male / female? Within one person, it's possible to have a perfect blending of male and female. The Creator may not have intended for humans to be this way, but here they are nonetheless. Their existence can't be denied. Is it Satan's doing? Is it random accident? I've wondered about this for a long time.

I think that this is one of those "impossible questions". I believe that when man fell in the beginning, we became something we were never meant to be. Along with this falling came sickness and death. Through sickness our bodies have devolped altered genes. When our genes alter, we see problems with genetics. My belief only.

Now, Is the transgendered and intersexed individual a product of our own mishap? or were they made that way for a purpose to glorify God? One may never know. To think logically though, we would have to assume that if it were genetic, we would see more individuals who are "different" from our perspective it seems. Though we do know that the body does in fact fix itself when a problem arises. On a day to day basis, DNA is being recreated...many times the code is wrong but immediately fixes itself. This happens more times than we know. But look at me go, I'm circling in my own reason. I guess it's just best to say...I have no idea!!! LOL

[Murse32]

Some people have a supernumerary rib connected to C7. It is a cause of condition known as thoracic outlet syndrome.

Oh!

Well why didn't you say so in the first place?

Though I have "heard" one in twenty people have an extra rib...this is just hearsay. But ahhh, yes! CRS (Cervical Rib Syndrome), have read about that. Usually though, it is bilateral, so If I am not mistaken, this would be an extra "pair" opposed to an extra "rib". But I am by no means an expert and have never rub across this in my practice.

Wait, why are we talking about this?!?! LOL

Sorry, people start talking medically and I have to jump in.

It is a very small number, yes. But the way I understand it, it's usually just one side or the other.

You may be correct, I know I have read about this in the past. It was a topic in one of my Medical-Surgical textbooks. It wasn't described in great detail though. Guess I'm going to have to investigate further just for the sake of knowing now. I'll let you know if I find anything definitive.

[Gauntlet]

What about transgendered and intersexed individuals? WHat should we make of them in light of God's image as male / female? Within one person, it's possible to have a perfect blending of male and female. The Creator may not have intended for humans to be this way, but here they are nonetheless. Their existence can't be denied. Is it Satan's doing? Is it random accident? I've wondered about this for a long time.

I think that this is one of those "impossible questions". I believe that when man fell in the beginning, we became something we were never meant to be. Along with this falling came sickness and death. Through sickness our bodies have devolped altered genes. When our genes alter, we see problems with genetics. My belief only.

Now, Is the transgendered and intersexed individual a product of our own mishap? or were they made that way for a purpose to glorify God? One may never know. To think logically though, we would have to assume that if it were genetic, we would see more individuals who are "different" from our perspective it seems. Though we do know that the body does in fact fix itself when a problem arises. On a day to day basis, DNA is being recreated...many times the code is wrong but immediately fixes itself. This happens more times than we know. But look at me go, I'm circling in my own reason. I guess it's just best to say...I have no idea!!! LOL

That is the wisest thing to say.

[Murse32]

Some people have a supernumerary rib connected to C7. It is a cause of condition known as thoracic outlet syndrome.

Oh!

Well why didn't you say so in the first place?

Though I have "heard" one in twenty people have an extra rib...this is just hearsay. But ahhh, yes! CRS (Cervical Rib Syndrome), have read about that. Usually though, it is bilateral, so If I am not mistaken, this would be an extra "pair" opposed to an extra "rib". But I am by no means an expert and have never rub across this in my practice.

Wait, why are we talking about this?!?! LOL

Sorry, people start talking medically and I have to jump in.

It is a very small number, yes. But the way I understand it, it's usually just one side or the other.

You may be correct, I know I have read about this in the past. It was a topic in one of my Medical-Surgical textbooks. It wasn't described in great detail though. Guess I'm going to have to investigate further just for the sake of knowing now. I'll let you know if I find anything definitive.

Ok, I found this from a radiographics site:

"Cervical ribs arise from the seventh cervical vertebra. They resemble hypoplastic first thoracic ribs, from which they are reliably differentiated by means of the adjacent transverse process, which is angulated inferiorly in the cervical spine and has a more cranial course in the thoracic spine (Fig 1). The reported prevalence of cervical ribs varies from 0.2% to 8% (4). Cervical ribs occur unilaterally or bilaterally. They are most commonly an incidental finding or are associated with the Klippel-Feil anomaly (Fig 1). Cervical ribs are rarely symptomatic in early childhood; in older children and adults, compression of the brachial plexus or subclavian artery can give rise to the thoracic outlet syndrome (5,6). Cervical rib compression of the subclavian artery can result in aneurysm formation (7). " (http://radiographics.rsnajnls.org/cgi/content/full/22/1/87)

Ok, and this one was taken from: http://www.med.gazi.edu.tr/gmj/prevalence.html

"It is present bilaterally in 47-73% of the cases (1, 3, 5) but often the two sides are asymmetrical (6). When unilateral, it is generally on the right side."

Ok, we were both right. It can be observed uni and bilaterally. I'm done now...sorry for going off topic...Had to know though.

[Ovedya]

Some people have a supernumerary rib connected to C7. It is a cause of condition known as thoracic outlet syndrome.

Oh!

Well why didn't you say so in the first place?

Though I have "heard" one in twenty people have an extra rib...this is just hearsay. But ahhh, yes! CRS (Cervical Rib Syndrome), have read about that. Usually though, it is bilateral, so If I am not mistaken, this would be an extra "pair" opposed to an extra "rib". But I am by no means an expert and have never rub across this in my practice.

Wait, why are we talking about this?!?! LOL

Sorry, people start talking medically and I have to jump in.

It is a very small number, yes. But the way I understand it, it's usually just one side or the other.

You may be correct, I know I have read about this in the past. It was a topic in one of my Medical-Surgical textbooks. It wasn't described in great detail though. Guess I'm going to have to investigate further just for the sake of knowing now. I'll let you know if I find anything definitive.

Ok, I found this from a radiographics site:

"Cervical ribs arise from the seventh cervical vertebra. They resemble hypoplastic first thoracic ribs, from which they are reliably differentiated by means of the adjacent transverse process, which is angulated inferiorly in the cervical spine and has a more cranial course in the thoracic spine (Fig 1). The reported prevalence of cervical ribs varies from 0.2% to 8% (4). Cervical ribs occur unilaterally or bilaterally. They are most commonly an incidental finding or are associated with the Klippel-Feil anomaly (Fig 1). Cervical ribs are rarely symptomatic in early childhood; in older children and adults, compression of the brachial plexus or subclavian artery can give rise to the thoracic outlet syndrome (5,6). Cervical rib compression of the subclavian artery can result in aneurysm formation (7). " (http://radiographics.rsnajnls.org/cgi/content/full/22/1/87)

Ok, and this one was taken from: http://www.med.gazi.edu.tr/gmj/prevalence.html

"It is present bilaterally in 47-73% of the cases (1, 3, 5) but often the two sides are asymmetrical (6). When unilateral, it is generally on the right side."

Ok, we were both right. It can be observed uni and bilaterally. I'm done now...sorry for going off topic...Had to know though.

That's great. I love it, in fact. I find this stuff really fascinating!

[nebula]

Me too -

thanks for the info!

[Fraught]

What about transgendered and intersexed individuals? WHat should we make of them in light of God's image as male / female? Within one person, it's possible to have a perfect blending of male and female. The Creator may not have intended for humans to be this way, but here they are nonetheless. Their existence can't be denied. Is it Satan's doing? Is it random accident? I've wondered about this for a long time.

Exactly. And don't forget there are asexual, there were eunuchs in o.t. times ++ most everything begins as a female & then the male chromosomes are added. of course, as quickly as scientific ideas are changing, maybe that last is no longer a valid scientific statement.

[BlindSeeker]

What about transgendered and intersexed individuals? WHat should we make of them in light of God's image as male / female? Within one person, it's possible to have a perfect blending of male and female. The Creator may not have intended for humans to be this way, but here they are nonetheless. Their existence can't be denied. Is it Satan's doing? Is it random accident? I've wondered about this for a long time.

1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Fornication

- to act the harlot, i.e. (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), sexual interaction between individuals who are not married to each other.

This verse of scripture tells us that sexual sins are not only committed against God, but against one