Abortion Doctor George Tiller Reportedly Killed at Church

[Guest LadyC]

thanks jade, i wasn't aware of any other medical reasons... but i wonder, would a c-section have made any difference in the risk?

[BlindSeeker]

Why do you keep taking God's sovereignty out of the equation?

What ARE you talking about? I said his judgement belongs to God...

I am amazed this is so hard for so many to grasp.

There are two types of God's judgment. Those ministered in the here and now as a public witness to His displeasure of one's actions, and two, the final judgment for one's life.

I would conclude that number one has taken place for all to see . . . the next will soon follow.

No one has yet responded to -

God has used the wicked many times to administer His judgment on those who take His Name unto themselves . . . just look at all the chastisements of God upon Israel by the heathen. That is why I asked earlier (though without a response), "When God brought in the Assyrians, Babylonians to punish the those who were identified with the name of Jehovah, were the killings done by their hands done in accordance with "legal justice" or the will of God?"

Well?

[ayin jade]

thanks jade, i wasn't aware of any other medical reasons... but i wonder, would a c-section have made any difference in the risk?

From the things mentioned, it didnt seem like a c-section would have prevented this from happening. The medical literature seems to recommend avoiding pregnancy altogether or having a resection (cutting out the tumor) during the second trimester.

[MorningGlory]

Why do you keep taking God's sovereignty out of the equation?

What ARE you talking about? I said his judgement belongs to God...

I am amazed this is so hard for so many to grasp.

There are two types of God's judgment. Those ministered in the here and now as a public witness to His displeasure of one's actions, and two, the final judgment for one's life.

I would conclude that number one has taken place for all to see . . . the next will soon follow.

No one has yet responded to -

God has used the wicked many times to administer His judgment on those who take His Name unto themselves . . . just look at all the chastisements of God upon Israel by the heathen. That is why I asked earlier (though without a response), "When God brought in the Assyrians, Babylonians to punish the those who were identified with the name of Jehovah, were the killings done by their hands done in accordance with "legal justice" or the will of God?"

Well?

[BlindSeeker]

Why do you keep taking God's sovereignty out of the equation?

What ARE you talking about? I said his judgement belongs to God...

I am amazed this is so hard for so many to grasp.

There are two types of God's judgment. Those ministered in the here and now as a public witness to His displeasure of one's actions, and two, the final judgment for one's life.

I would conclude that number one has taken place for all to see . . . the next will soon follow.

No one has yet responded to -

God has used the wicked many times to administer His judgment on those who take His Name unto themselves . . . just look at all the chastisements of God upon Israel by the heathen. That is why I asked earlier (though without a response), "When God brought in the Assyrians, Babylonians to punish the those who were identified with the name of Jehovah, were the killings done by their hands done in accordance with "legal justice" or the will of God?"

Well?

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

[MorningGlory]

Why do you keep taking God's sovereignty out of the equation?

What ARE you talking about? I said his judgement belongs to God...

I am amazed this is so hard for so many to grasp.

There are two types of God's judgment. Those ministered in the here and now as a public witness to His displeasure of one's actions, and two, the final judgment for one's life.

I would conclude that number one has taken place for all to see . . . the next will soon follow.

No one has yet responded to -

God has used the wicked many times to administer His judgment on those who take His Name unto themselves . . . just look at all the chastisements of God upon Israel by the heathen. That is why I asked earlier (though without a response), "When God brought in the Assyrians, Babylonians to punish the those who were identified with the name of Jehovah, were the killings done by their hands done in accordance with "legal justice" or the will of God?"

Well?

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Well, if you're going to be all squiggy about it, let me tell you why no one answered. ONLY GOD KNOWS THE ANSWER! Sheesh, isn't that obvious?

[BlindSeeker]

. . . squiggy ?

Now we're reasoning this thing thoroughly aren't we?

Ask yourself, what law gives a country "legal" grounds to invade and kill the inhabitants of another so as to "justify" their assault?

The ask if it was the will of God that Israel was so treated?

It really isn't a hard thought process . . .

[MorningGlory]

. . . squiggy ?

Now we're reasoning this thing thoroughly aren't we?

Ask yourself, what law gives a country "legal" grounds to invade and kill the inhabitants of another so as to "justify" their assault?

The ask if it was the will of God that Israel was so treated?

It really isn't a hard thought process . . .

Squiggy = huffy. And it's a VERY hard thought process when your question isn't clear. Your premise seems to be shifting. I answered your original question so...what?...you changed the question? Btw, sarcasm seldom collects bouquets, my friend.

[Guest Butero]

i won't say i have any sympathy for him either.... but it does bother me a lot that there are people out there who will commit murder in the name of God. even if that turns out not to be why this man was murdered, there ARE still people out there who will murder for such reasons, and they're just as guilty in God's eyes as the abortionist. that's really the point i'm trying to make.

I agree LadyC. God has not called us to go around killing abortionists. God will deal with them in his own time, but I am happy that because he is gone, babies that might have been murdered will live.

Don't you mean "babies that have not been murdered by this man will be murdered by someone else"?

No, I mean that there will be some that were scheduled to be killed by Tiller that won't be killed at all. He was only one of three doing this late term procedure, and not everyone who was going to use his services will go through with it. That could be a handful or it could be many.

[Guest Butero]

Why do you keep taking God's sovereignty out of the equation?

What ARE you talking about? I said his judgement belongs to God...

I am amazed this is so hard for so many to grasp.

There are two types of God's judgment. Those ministered in the here and now as a public witness to His displeasure of one's actions, and two, the final judgment for one's life.

I would conclude that number one has taken place for all to see . . . the next will soon follow.

No one has yet responded to -

God has used the wicked many times to administer His judgment on those who take His Name unto themselves . . . just look at all the chastisements of God upon Israel by the heathen. That is why I asked earlier (though without a response), "When God brought in the Assyrians, Babylonians to punish the those who were identified with the name of Jehovah, were the killings done by their hands done in accordance with "legal justice" or the will of God?"

Well?

You are making a good point. The people having trouble with what you are saying are those who don't understand God's complete sovereignty. Had Tiller had a hedge of protection around him, like Job did before his temptation, he couldn't have been killed. God allowed him to be taken out on that day and in that manner. That doesn't mean that everytime something bad happens to someone God was judging them, but it means there was a reason for the event to take place.

I can look at some of the worst dissasters in history and see how God took an event to bring about a pre-ordained conclusion. It was the haulocost that brought about the current Jewish state of Israel, and we won't see the millenial reign of Christ till the tribulation period and Armageddon take place. It is possible that God had enough of Tiller, and used someone with a screw loose to take him out, just as he sometimes used evil people to chastise Israel in Old Testament times.