Abortion Doctor shot at CHURCH????

[Believer1997]

An abortion doctor was shot (and presumably killed) during a church service, and all you can say is, "He should not have been there in the first place." Did that abortion doctor deserve to die like that, in the one place where everyone should feel safe?

This kind of thing makes me physically ill and I can't stand it anymore.

The Christian church was never and is not a safe place. God is dangerous and very scarey if your on the wrong side. The Bible speaks of the Lord being a terror in the night to the wicked.

The Lord did not strike the man down with a stroke or heart attack or illness. He was murdered by a person with a gun. Did that person sin? Are you saying the Lord 'lead' the person with the gun to kill him?

[Guest Butero]

Right there are two huge issues.

The first which we were discussing is how could a late term abortionist be in good standing in a Christian Church? So then we discussed how many mainline Protestant denominations not only do not condemn abortion but support abortion and support it as some sort of acceptable "right".

The other issue is murder. No Christian has murder in their heart according to scripture. This murder of this man as bad as the guy was is horrible and will of course hurt in a very big way the pro-life movement. More babies will die because a whack job murderer killed this guy. So yes it sickens me also.

There actually is a difference in the midset of the abortionist and the person who kills abortion clinic doctors. The doctors kill for money. The person who takes it upon himself to kill the doctor does so to defend the innocent. It would be like seeing a child being beaten to death in the park. Would it be murder to use deadly force to save the child? That is how they look at it? They call it justifiable homicide. I don't think God uses people like that, but those who commit those acts look at it as a means of saving lives. They are not people who simply have murder in their heart.

Pro-life, it is hunting people down and shooting them like dogs, is actually not pro-life at all.

It's hypocrisy and a prime example of how truly wicked is the heart of Man. Any action, no matter how depraved or bloody, can be justified by dragging the Name of God through it.

Let's try this again. If you are walking through the park, and a man is beating a child to death, and you have to use deadly force to stop him, is that murder? I don't agree with gunning down abortion clinic doctors, but I don't see the people that do that as being as bad as the doctor. Just because he has the law on his side doesn't make him anymore right morally.

Let's look at another example. If the nation is being attacked, and you have to take up arms to kill enemy combatants to save the people in your country, is that murder? Are you going to say that soldiers who kill to save the lives of their own people are not pro-life? It is not as simple as you want to make it out.

[Guest Butero]

That did not address my question.

It is not hypocritical of the anti-abortionists to murder abortion doctors?

Of course it is.

And if that anti-abortionist calls himself a christian, just imagine what that does to the name God.

How many stumbling blocks do you suppose were thrown out because of that one stupid act?

Moses was in Egypt at a time when the Jewish people were in bondage. There was an injustice taking place against his people, but it was the law of the land. He wound up killing an Egyptian to defend one of his own people. Was Moses hypocritcal? How many stumblingblocks do you suppose were thrown out because of that one stupid act? You can say what you will, but this is not a simple act of murder like you are making out. The people that usually commit these acts do so to save innocent lives.

[Matthitjah]

An abortion doctor was shot (and presumably killed) during a church service, and all you can say is, "He should not have been there in the first place." Did that abortion doctor deserve to die like that, in the one place where everyone should feel safe?

This kind of thing makes me physically ill and I can't stand it anymore.

The Christian church was never and is not a safe place. God is dangerous and very scarey if your on the wrong side. The Bible speaks of the Lord being a terror in the night to the wicked.

The Lord did not strike the man down with a stroke or heart attack or illness. He was murdered by a person with a gun. Did that person sin? Are you saying the Lord 'lead' the person with the gun to kill him?

Not at all sister, I was speaking to specific mindset that believe that God is safe and that the Church should be a peaceful and pacifistic place. I have already stated that murder is not a good idea and that no one should give into the temptation.

[Gauntlet]

An abortion doctor was shot (and presumably killed) during a church service, and all you can say is, "He should not have been there in the first place." Did that abortion doctor deserve to die like that, in the one place where everyone should feel safe?

This kind of thing makes me physically ill and I can't stand it anymore.

The Christian church was never and is not a safe place. God is dangerous and very scarey if your on the wrong side. The Bible speaks of the Lord being a terror in the night to the wicked.

The Lord did not strike the man down with a stroke or heart attack or illness. He was murdered by a person with a gun. Did that person sin? Are you saying the Lord 'lead' the person with the gun to kill him?

Not at all sister, I was speaking to specific mindset that believe that God is safe and that the Church should be a peaceful and pacifistic place. I have already stated that murder is not a good idea and that no one should give into the temptation.

You see, people will always use Scripture to normalize their own bloodlust, their secret appetites for murder & mayhem. If this is Christianity, I'd rather be an atheist.

[Believer1997]

An abortion doctor was shot (and presumably killed) during a church service, and all you can say is, "He should not have been there in the first place." Did that abortion doctor deserve to die like that, in the one place where everyone should feel safe?

This kind of thing makes me physically ill and I can't stand it anymore.

The Christian church was never and is not a safe place. God is dangerous and very scarey if your on the wrong side. The Bible speaks of the Lord being a terror in the night to the wicked.

The Lord did not strike the man down with a stroke or heart attack or illness. He was murdered by a person with a gun. Did that person sin? Are you saying the Lord 'lead' the person with the gun to kill him?

Not at all sister, I was speaking to specific mindset that believe that God is safe and that the Church should be a peaceful and pacifistic place. I have already stated that murder is not a good idea and that no one should give into the temptation.

Yeah... murder IS NOT a good idea - ANY Murder.... and NO ONE should give in to the temptation. :thumbsup:

As a matter of fact - I am almost sure that is one of the big 10 things that isn't a 'good idea' according to God.

God has the right to deal with abortionists - not vigilantes ... It's not a "good idea" :thumbsup:

[Matthitjah]

I think my point is this;

"Let's not put our hands over our mouths aghast at this and self flagellate ourselves about how wicked the Christian Church is."

There has not been a history of anything but violence from the beginnings of the Church. Usually it's against us. The single greatest act of violence and rage meted out by mankind was against his own maker on the Cross.

Yet, we put our hands over our mouths and gasp about this? I don't get it.

God told us that if followed Him, it wasn't going to be pretty for us or anyone we encounter, let alone our family's, merely because He was going to War against sin.

God is dangerous and woe to the individual that treats His Grace, which is the only thing between His wrath and us, like something lightly to be esteemed.

Aslan is a Wild Untamed and Dangerous Lion, yet we can walk up and stroke his nose, like Lucy, because He is indeed Good.

Peace,

Dave

[ayin jade]

It is not hypocritical of the anti-abortionists to murder abortion doctors?

First, let me say that Im horrified that someone was killed. My first reaction to this story is one of horror that a life was taken.

That said, I can see how someone could believe that they did right to kill someone who was a prolific murderer. I am not excusing it by any means. I do not agree with the killing at all. But to someone who is horrified at the killing of babies, I can see how they might feel pushed to this extreme. Murder is murder though, and the murderer of the abortion doctor is wrong in his action.

My second thought on hearing this story is a sense of loss, that someone died who could have instead been witnessed to and brought to the Lord. Only God knows this doctors heart, but given his profession, he surely needed Jesus in his life.

[Matthitjah]

An abortion doctor was shot (and presumably killed) during a church service, and all you can say is, "He should not have been there in the first place." Did that abortion doctor deserve to die like that, in the one place where everyone should feel safe?

This kind of thing makes me physically ill and I can't stand it anymore.

The Christian church was never and is not a safe place. God is dangerous and very scarey if your on the wrong side. The Bible speaks of the Lord being a terror in the night to the wicked.

The Lord did not strike the man down with a stroke or heart attack or illness. He was murdered by a person with a gun. Did that person sin? Are you saying the Lord 'lead' the person with the gun to kill him?

Not at all sister, I was speaking to specific mindset that believe that God is safe and that the Church should be a peaceful and pacifistic place. I have already stated that murder is not a good idea and that no one should give into the temptation.

Yeah... murder IS NOT a good idea - ANY Murder.... and NO ONE should give in to the temptation. :thumbsup:

As a matter of fact - I am almost sure that is one of the big 10 things that isn't a 'good idea' according to God.

God has the right to deal with abortionists - not vigilantes ... It's not a "good idea" :thumbsup:

Neither a vigilante or an abortionist is safe from violating Gods law.

Let's not sugarcoat Tillers life though, he was a prolific murderer.

[Guest man]

That did not address my question.

It is not hypocritical of the anti-abortionists to murder abortion doctors?

Of course it is.

And if that anti-abortionist calls himself a christian, just imagine what that does to the name God.

How many stumbling blocks do you suppose were thrown out because of that one stupid act?

Moses was in Egypt at a time when the Jewish people were in bondage. There was an injustice taking place against his people, but it was the law of the land. He wound up killing an Egyptian to defend one of his own people. Was Moses hypocritcal? How many stumblingblocks do you suppose were thrown out because of that one stupid act? You can say what you will, but this is not a simple act of murder like you are making out. The people that usually commit these acts do so to save innocent lives.

The Dr. wasn't about to perform an abortion. Big difference.

Please, do not try and compare Moses with the guy who shot the Dr.

And as for saving lives, the people who were scheduled to see the murdered Dr. will more than likely just change Dr.s.

And yes, it is a simple act of murder.