God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not Allah

[ayin jade]

Some scholars are now beginning to suspect that 'Q' may indeed be the Gospel of Barnabas.

The gospel of barnabas is used by muslims against Christian belief.

There are several errors in the gospel of barnabas which prove it is not the word of God.

1) In chapter 3 we are told that Herod and Pilate both ruled in Judea at the time of Jesus' birth: There reigned at that time in Judaea Herod, by decree of Caesar Augustus, and Pilate was governor. This is historically wrong for Herod and Pilate never ruled Judea at the same time. Herod ruled Judea alone from 37-4 B.C., while Pilate ruled thirty years later from 26-36 A.D.[3] The real Barnabas lived during the rule of Pilate, so if he really was the writer of this book, how could he make such a simple mistake?

2) In chapters 20-21 of this book we are told about Jesus sailing to Nazareth and being welcomed by the seamen of that town. He then leaves Nazareth and goes up to Capernaum. There is a major error in this account. Nazareth was not a fishing village, in fact it was about 14 km from the sea of Galilee and situated in the hills of a mountain range! Capernaum was the fishing village that Jesus arrived at with his disciples, not Nazareth. Nazareth and Capernaum were two towns which Jesus often visited with his disciples therefore any disciple of Jesus would know these towns well. However the author of this book does not.

Abusa, you have defended islam, promoted muslim apologetics here, and even accept a false gospel which is often used by muslims to defend their beliefs and "prove" Christian beliefs wrong.

Are you islamic? Are you gnostic? Who is Jesus to you?

[ayin jade]

In chapter 97 of the gospel of barnabas, Jesus says that mohammed is the messiah. How can you even claim that is the source text for the gospels in the bible? It is a patently false blasphemous work.

[MorningGlory]

Well don't let that influence what was said. Because it is correct with reference to what the Qur'an says about the Bible. But just as there are many so called Christians who distort what the Bible says so do Muslims distort what their book says.

Distort what? The Qu'ran says the Bible is the word of God...this is true....but anything that contradicts the Qu'ran is considered corrupt and must be ignored. That's pretty much everything. This is the 'out' I referred to and, yes, I did understand what you were saying.

[Rick-Parker]

This produces a logical dilemma, which can only be resolved by the conclusion that the Qur\'an is not entirely the Word of God.

How does it feel out there in left field, standing out there all by yourself? And not just in this thread, either.

[Matthitjah]

Abusa--

As I have pointed out the Qur'an in a number of verses says the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. Now let's consider the import of that.

If the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God then neither is the Qur'an because it makes a false statement regarding the Bible.

If the Bible is the inerrant Word of God and the Qur'an contradicts what the Bible says then the Qur'an is not inerrant.

Either way the Qur'an loses.

This has to be the starting point for anyone witnessing to a Muslim.

The starting point of witnessing to a Muslim is the revealed Truth of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I think when we witness to people we ought to use means which are most effective. Simply making statements to a Muslim about what we believe won't accomplish much. You have to understand they are taught to believe if they accept Jesus as the Son of God it will condemn them to hell. You must first demolish that false belief before they will listen to the gospel.

You know Dave, it is just like when Christians argue over the meaning of Scripture. It doesn't do a whole lot of good to just say "i'm right--you're wrong", does it. You have to show people why they are in error.

Nazorai,

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

Ro

[Miss Elly]

What a silly argument.

Amor is trying to explain that if you are an arabic speaking Christian then God to you is pronounced Allah. So you are trying to get him to say God is not God.

The angle you should be approaching this is: that although the Muslims believe they reading scripture given by The God of creation, the truth is they are deceived and they are following a false doctrine inspired by man's greatest enemy.

Abraham had two sons, but Issac inherited the promise and through him came God's chosen seed. No doubt all the other arabs came from him, or a lot of them. They rejected the truth of God and went after a lie from satan. Think about it this way.......do you believe the Holy Spirit is real? He is only given to them that obey God, the bible says. None in any other religions, including the arabs and ALL muslims. are obeying the real God or they would have the Holy Spirit in them.

Also - THE MUSLIMS, ETC. ARE STILL IN THEIR SINS, THEY CANNOT BE FREE EXCEPT FOR THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. A born again christian is saved from their sins if they have repented.....a person serving sin, if the servant of sin.

Teeming thousands of people in India call cows God too. It doesn't matter what the unbelieving worship, unless you pray to God in spirit and truth, it is all in vain. The true God does not acknowledge their worship.

[Miss Elly]

What a silly argument.

Amor is trying to explain that if you are an arabic speaking Christian then God to you is pronounced Allah. So you are trying to get him to say God is not God.

The angle you should be approaching this is: that although the Muslims believe they reading scripture given by The God of creation, the truth is they are deceived and they are following a false doctrine inspired by man's greatest enemy.

Abraham had two sons, but Issac inherited the promise and through him came God's chosen seed. No doubt all the other arabs came from Ismael his other son, or a lot of them did They rejected the truth of God and went after a lie from satan. Think about it this way.......do you believe the Holy Spirit is real? He is only given to them that obey God, the bible says. None in any other religions, including the arabs and ALL muslims. are obeying the real God or they would have the Holy Spirit in them.

Also - THE MUSLIMS, ETC. ARE STILL IN THEIR SINS, THEY CANNOT BE FREE EXCEPT FOR THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. A born again christian is saved from their sins if they have repented.....a person serving sin, is the servant of sin.

Teeming thousands of people in India call cows God too. It doesn't matter what the unbelieving worship, unless you pray to God in spirit and truth, it is all in vain. The true God does not acknowledge their worship.

Edited August 20, 2009 by Miss Elly

[MorningGlory]

MorningGlory you wrote "After reading your posts, I have to be honest.....I've no CLUE as to what your point might be. Christians don't fear islam or any other false belief. Are you muslim, abusa?"

Rest your heart, fear not, I am not. It is just that the one I believe in is greater and mightier than any living or dead thing.

When the Lord Jesus differed with the religious leaders of that time, they claimed he was led by an evil spirit. Yet, these same leaders read the same scripture that the Lord Jesus read. They wanted the scripture interpreted to fit them. They feared Jesus so much that they planned his death as a solution meanwhile the Lord lived at peace with no fear.

I get sad when I see how those who are supposed to be children of the kingdom waste time in discussing rumors and not discussing the word of their Father. I call them rumors because whatever is not true is false if false why waste time when the truth is what is in Jesus? Now, just like Pharisees you find that believers quickly call anyone they differ with a Muslim or none believer. Sad. How time repeats itself.

If you are not in fear of Islam why spend time trying to disarm it. If what you stand on is solid rock why be bothered with that which is on the sand. My position MorningGlory is that the one I believe in, I believe he is able and more than able thus I do not waste time finding fault in false beliefs to prove His ability or His truth.

The God of Abraham is not an idol. His word and his word alone is truth. Unless the one you stand on you are not sure of, then strengthen your defenses by seeking to know the weakness of that which already has no power. I will not waste time to bring out what an already powerless belief which is false has said.

If your baby who has just learnt to speak says he can beat you, will you go all out to prove you can beat it? When you know what you believe him you have no time to prove anything. This is my stand. From Genesis to Malachi, have you ever read that the God of Abraham has been overcome by any idol or false religion? Look to the master Jesus and see how he honored his Father and did not waste time debating with those outside the scripture (Pls note that the Pharisees and Teachers were within the scripture).

I remind you again to the God of Abraham that allowed his chosen ones to suffer slavery for 400 plus years so that the sin of the Amorites reach its peak then he told the Israelites to kill them all. He has not grown old nor has he changed, he is the same God. He will deal with all those that are not his. The wheat and the weed will grow together.

It's my custom to just ask those I'm not sure of, abusa, if they are muslim. I have no fear of islam; none whatsoever, my goal is to discredit a false belief system.

[nebula]

No doubt all the other arabs came from him, or a lot of them.

Nope - just the people who called themselves "Ishmaelites" who also intermarried mostly with the Midianites. This/these were/was the only people who can claim Ishmael - and thus Abraham - as their father.

[ayin jade]

Abraham had two sons

Abraham had more than 2 sons.

Genesis 25

1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.

2 And she bore him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.

3 And Jokshan fathered Sheba and Dedan. And the sons of Dedan were Asshurim and Letushim and Leummim.

Etc.