Job 38:7... Whats it saying?

[OneLight]

I'm wondering what would be blasphemous if in fact scripture did call them by the same name? The bible is RICH in irony and sarcasm, and i can see it being used in this very passage in irony and sarcasm.

Only the Christ is God between the 2 but Lucifer WANTED to be exalted above God... there very well may have been a time when lucifer was considered a good "Beni e Elohim" however, and all of heaven was one minded. I dont know that this is what the verse is referring to or not, i do find the sarcastic nature interesting however if it were. Jesus the morning star and lucifer the soon to be rebellius one who wanted to BE the morning star singing together before his fall and the angels rejoice in GREAT joy.

If this is used as irony and sarcasm i dont see it as heretical.. i DO admit its rather odd considering lucifer before the fall but at the same time we all realize there was a lucifer who was obedient and part of the kingdom of God at one time

To me... well it causes me to fear

I see how easily pride took him, even though he beheld the glory of God... i humble myself before God and beg mercy and help because if THAT kind of wisdom and knowledge, WAY above me can be blinded and rebel and fall... how can i as a human avoid these very traps, being much less smart... wise... experienced... having seen not even close to the same level of glory that he saw

Like i said, i dunno im not dogmatic, just dont really have an opinion either way on this one... i do realize possibilitys, i find this scripture troublesome to my soul though in a way that makes me want to submit more deeply to God... search Him even further... its sure served to humble me whether it is or isnt, just to consider it

Point being, Lucifer (star of the morning) was not called Lucifer until well after Christ died, and even longer from the original text, by those in the RC, written by Jerome, who was commissioned by Pope Damasus I in 382 to make a revision of old Latin translations. From what I can tell, it error came in the translation. Scripture from the Hebrew text, never called him Lucifer.

I agree, if one who's office, as I learned was over the alter of God, could fall ... where do people get OSAS?

I am pretty dogmatic on what is clear, but have an open mind on other things. Say, if the gifts are still in operation today.

[OneLight]

"sigh"

Lucifer

masculine noun

Root Word (Etymology)

1) shining one, morning star, Lucifer

The Hebrew meaning is not a heresy, its a fact

how can there be a Hebrew meaning for a latin word?

l believe the lexicon he used is based on the KJV, which is based on the Latin Vulgate. The term Lucifer was brought over from that and not the original Hebrew. Almost everyone identifies this error as truth.

[WolfBitn]

I agree, if one who's office, as I learned was over the alter of God, could fall ... where do people get OSAS?

I am pretty dogmatic on what is clear, but have an open mind on other things. Say, if the gifts are still in operation today.

Thats well said... intresting comparison to Calvinism. I never liked the Calvinist belief, no offence to anyone Calvinist, i just donot see the majestic God in Calvinism that i do in free will, but thats another discussion.

I too am pretty dogmatic on the things that are clearly stated in scripture, but at the same time i dont mind wondering out of the box and wondering into questions that may seem kinda open or differant, unconventional.

I believe this is rewarding in its own way, and my fascination with the word is always kindled, i love digging into it

[other one]

Job 38:7

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Could this possibly be a referance to Christ AND Lucifer, the anointed cherob, BEFORE his rebellion?

Err . . . ummm . . . who or what are you saying Jesus is?

And who or what are you saying Lucifer is? Jesus' brother?

Hummmm, where have I read about that.....

[OneLight]

I agree, if one who's office, as I learned was over the alter of God, could fall ... where do people get OSAS?

I am pretty dogmatic on what is clear, but have an open mind on other things. Say, if the gifts are still in operation today.

Thats well said... intresting comparison to Calvinism. I never liked the Calvinist belief, no offence to anyone Calvinist, i just donot see the majestic God in Calvinism that i do in free will, but thats another discussion.

I too am pretty dogmatic on the things that are clearly stated in scripture, but at the same time i dont mind wondering out of the box and wondering into questions that may seem kinda open or differant, unconventional.

I believe this is rewarding in its own way, and my fascination with the word is always kindled, i love digging into it

Within the realm of those who are well grounded in the truth, I would welcome such discussions, but to throw them in front of one who stumble on a leaf or twig, is very dangerous and will harm. There is a time and place for everything. We should be wise in deciding when and where these are.

[WolfBitn]

Thats well said... intresting comparison to Calvinism. I never liked the Calvinist belief, no offence to anyone Calvinist, i just donot see the majestic God in Calvinism that i do in free will, but thats another discussion.

I too am pretty dogmatic on the things that are clearly stated in scripture, but at the same time i dont mind wondering out of the box and wondering into questions that may seem kinda open or differant, unconventional.

I believe this is rewarding in its own way, and my fascination with the word is always kindled, i love digging into it

Within the realm of those who are well grounded in the truth, I would welcome such discussions, but to throw them in front of one who stumble on a leaf or twig, is very dangerous and will harm. There is a time and place for everything. We should be wise in deciding when and where these are.

I agree... unfortunately on a message board we would never be able to clear a section just for seasoned believers. No matter the lesser leared and those with weaker faith have access to just about any conversation. In this case i think its best to put it out there and hope they ask questions and learn rather than never discussing them at all