Guest shiloh357 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Jesus was not killed. Abusa is correct. Jesus was in total control the entire time. Certain things had to be done to be in line with prophecy. I just finished a study entitled " The Cross ", and in this study it is shown that Jesus was not killed. Now the Romans and Pharisee's may have thought they were killing Him, but they were not. Our Lord Jesus did not lose His life at the hands of any human, but rather He gave up His life after all had been fulfilled. So in a way he committed suicide? ... no, He allowed them to take His life. I don't read where He nailed Himself to the cross, do you? He allowed them to kill him, so he was killed..... other than that you would have to say he committed suicide...... and I can't go there. He was killed. That is just not true. Read your Bible. Jesus gave His life as a sacrifice for sin. His life was not taken from Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2009 Jesus was not killed. Abusa is correct. Jesus was in total control the entire time. Certain things had to be done to be in line with prophecy. I just finished a study entitled " The Cross ", and in this study it is shown that Jesus was not killed. Now the Romans and Pharisee's may have thought they were killing Him, but they were not. Our Lord Jesus did not lose His life at the hands of any human, but rather He gave up His life after all had been fulfilled. So in a way he committed suicide? ... no, He allowed them to take His life. I don't read where He nailed Himself to the cross, do you? He allowed them to kill him, so he was killed..... other than that you would have to say he committed suicide...... and I can't go there. He was killed. That is just not true. Read your Bible. Jesus gave His life as a sacrifice for sin. His life was not taken from Him. Oh, I agree, but this is semantics, in a way. Jesus allowed what happened to happen. If He did not want it to happen, it would not of happened. He was always in command of His destiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunterpoet Posted September 25, 2009 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,704 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1950 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Jesus was not killed. Abusa is correct. Jesus was in total control the entire time. Certain things had to be done to be in line with prophecy. I just finished a study entitled " The Cross ", and in this study it is shown that Jesus was not killed. Now the Romans and Pharisee's may have thought they were killing Him, but they were not. Our Lord Jesus did not lose His life at the hands of any human, but rather He gave up His life after all had been fulfilled. So in a way he committed suicide? I think you need to ask His forgiveness for that remark. Suicide is a very selfish act. What our Lord did and why was anything but selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 25, 2009 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,124 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,852 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2009 Jesus was not killed. Abusa is correct. Jesus was in total control the entire time. Certain things had to be done to be in line with prophecy. I just finished a study entitled " The Cross ", and in this study it is shown that Jesus was not killed. Now the Romans and Pharisee's may have thought they were killing Him, but they were not. Our Lord Jesus did not lose His life at the hands of any human, but rather He gave up His life after all had been fulfilled. So in a way he committed suicide? ... no, He allowed them to take His life. I don't read where He nailed Himself to the cross, do you? He allowed them to kill him, so he was killed..... other than that you would have to say he committed suicide...... and I can't go there. He was killed. That is just not true. Read your Bible. Jesus gave His life as a sacrifice for sin. His life was not taken from Him. So you are saying that the priest that cuts the throat of the sheep being sacrificed is not killing them???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botz Posted September 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,492 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 191 Days Won: 18 Joined: 03/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2009 Like so much of Scripture we can glimpse briefly specific truths and have a mimimal degree of understanding about what occured regarding the death of our Saviour and Messiah...it is recorded in Acts that both the Jews and the Gentiles 'killed' the L-rd, putting Him to death through crucifixion:- Acts 2:23; 3:15; 4:10; 5:30 etc. But the profound nature of His death was so much more than a person merely being 'killed', or 'executed'. It also encompassed the sacrifice of the 'Lamb that takes away the sins of the world' John 1:29, and as my friend Shiloh said....nobody actually took His life, or even had the power to do so...He laid it down, and He gave up His Spirit at the precise time He chose. This is made clear from Jesus' own words in John 10:14-18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunterpoet Posted September 25, 2009 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,704 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1950 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Jesus was not killed. Abusa is correct. Jesus was in total control the entire time. Certain things had to be done to be in line with prophecy. I just finished a study entitled " The Cross ", and in this study it is shown that Jesus was not killed. Now the Romans and Pharisee's may have thought they were killing Him, but they were not. Our Lord Jesus did not lose His life at the hands of any human, but rather He gave up His life after all had been fulfilled. So in a way he committed suicide? ... no, He allowed them to take His life. I don't read where He nailed Himself to the cross, do you? He allowed them to kill him, so he was killed..... other than that you would have to say he committed suicide...... and I can't go there. He was killed. That is just not true. Read your Bible. Jesus gave His life as a sacrifice for sin. His life was not taken from Him. So you are saying that the priest that cuts the throat of the sheep being sacrificed is not killing them???? If you hold a knife to the throat, at that moment you are the one that holds the power of life or death for that individual. When, if ever, did man hold the power of life and death over our Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted September 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2009 Like so much of Scripture we can glimpse briefly specific truths and have a mimimal degree of understanding about what occured regarding the death of our Saviour and Messiah...it is recorded in Acts that both the Jews and the Gentiles 'killed' the L-rd, putting Him to death through crucifixion:- Acts 2:23; 3:15; 4:10; 5:30 etc. But the profound nature of His death was so much more than a person merely being 'killed', or 'executed'. It also encompassed the sacrifice of the 'Lamb that takes away the sins of the world' John 1:29, and as my friend Shiloh said....nobody actually took His life, or even had the power to do so...He laid it down, and He gave up His Spirit at the precise time He chose. This is made clear from Jesus' own words in John 10:14-18. Really good post, Botz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alljoy123 Posted September 25, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 261 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/27/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2009 He died yes, but he was not killed. This correct. If Jesus was not killed, murdered, martyred, executed. Jesus died when He chose to die. The cross could not kill Jesus. Jesus died at 3 pm when the Passover lamb was killed in the Temple. Jesus gave up his Spirit, according to the Bible. None of us can do that. If Jesus had wanted to hang on the cross for 100 years, He could have and no one could have done anything about it. Jesus was in complete control of the events surrounding His death. Jesus as God exercised complete power over death and died when He wanted to die and not a moment too soon or too late. Jesus death was the voluntary giving of His own life. (sacrifice) It was not an act where it was taken from Him (killed). If Jesus were killed, His death was not a sacrifice, and that poses a lot of major problems since the Bible teaches that Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted September 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted September 25, 2009 No, the cross DID kill Jesus, He suffered real pain, and He was really executed. If those things did not happen then there would be no true resurrection and no true defeat of death. This type of Islamic heresy is simply not true. Islam believes that God could never be killed, that His Prophet and Son Jesus could never be killed and thus ascended to heaven without the Cross. Now I know people are not going that far here, but this idea that His execution was not a real or true execution is on that path. Jesus is the author of true humility, His execution was indeed pre-ordained, but His humanity, His being fully human at the same time as being fully God, required that He suffer and die as a common criminal, no better and no less real, it was a true execution. Which is why Christ indeed cried out that the cup be taken from Him, which is why He cried out why have you forsaken me. This was not some sort of Parlor trick that an almighty God set up, it was a real human being tortured and killed by a filthy mob of killers and haters (all of us) ; let us not sanitize the cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted September 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2009 'Parker1' date='Sep 25 2009, So in a way he committed suicide? This is a very offensive response oc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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