Judgmental Christians

[kittylover0991]

Wow this is an awesome thread! Amen!

Here is my feeling about all of this...

we should never judge a person, but a person's actions.

in judging actions we should not be judging them as in looking down at the person to feel superior,but in an attempt to help someone grow closer to God.

I am in total agreeance with so many here, i want others to judge my actions and to help me cast out specks and logs from my eyes.

I do think that it is very important to examine ourselves before we confront others for a couple of reasons.

1-it will have less ffect if you tell someone they are doing wrong if you are doing a similar wrong.

2-Jesus wants us all to be holy therefore God will use other people's lives to show us our own sin and need for improvement as well.

Sir Gareth, I agree with the person after you. I love the tone of this entire post. Just to add... a verses I've been working on while studying meekness..

"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself lest thou also be tempted.

Bear ye one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ.

If any man think himself to be something, when he nothing, he decieveth himself." Gal 6:1-3

The Bible talks so many about rebuking one another and the proverbs are filled with how we should be able and willing to take rebuke. When it comes to someone offending us, the Bible commands us to go and talk to that person without discovering the issue to another, and if the person hears you, then you have gained a brother. This verse really jumped out in that we ought to help one another with meekness. We need to show them God's love, and part of that is showing them how the Bible says that what is being done is wrong, and depending, even how it potentially hurt them. We shouldn't think of ourselves as better or superior to them in any way as you said. Amen!

I also wanted to add how important it is to follow the Holy Spirit when judging others actions.

That way we are following God's judgement and not letting our own thoughts and feelings get in the way of God's will.

As many have already said it is important to be willing to be judged also, our pride can get in the way too much and we end up getting angry or defensive when someone confronts us over our sin.

If we're not willing to be judged by other believers we are not living fully under God's guidance, in my humble opinion anyway.

Amen. Agree 100% We have to follow the Holy Spirit's leading or we will mess it up every time, and we need to be Spirit-controlled in our responses as well when someone gives us rebuke. Amen.

If you don't mind me asking though, I'm loving the flow of this thread (AMEN!), but how do you deal with someone who is wrongly rebuking with a superiority complex?

[wyguy]

"Judge not lest you be judged. You therefore have no right to judge me when it comes to my sins!!"

The world often takes this verse out of context and uses it to accuse Christians of being "judgmental" when they speak of sin. In the context of the verse Jesus is telling His disciples not to judge one another, something the Bible condemns (Romans 14:10; James 4:11). In Luke 6:41,42 He speaks of seeing a speck in a brother's eye. In John 7:24 He said, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement." If someone steals, lies, commits adultery or murder, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) judgement and say the the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences.

"True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It's knowing what should be tolerated-and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn't."

-Chuck Colson

How DARE you even bring the subject up! I hope you have SPF 10,000 sunscreen my friend, because you are going to HELL! Hell, I say! And I'm pretty sure you smell, have bad table manners, and kick puppies!

And another thing - you're ugly!

[Sir Gareth]

Wow this is an awesome thread! Amen!

Here is my feeling about all of this...

we should never judge a person, but a person's actions.

in judging actions we should not be judging them as in looking down at the person to feel superior,but in an attempt to help someone grow closer to God.

I am in total agreeance with so many here, i want others to judge my actions and to help me cast out specks and logs from my eyes.

I do think that it is very important to examine ourselves before we confront others for a couple of reasons.

1-it will have less ffect if you tell someone they are doing wrong if you are doing a similar wrong.

2-Jesus wants us all to be holy therefore God will use other people's lives to show us our own sin and need for improvement as well.

Sir Gareth, I agree with the person after you. I love the tone of this entire post. Just to add... a verses I've been working on while studying meekness..

"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself lest thou also be tempted.

Bear ye one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ.

If any man think himself to be something, when he nothing, he decieveth himself." Gal 6:1-3

The Bible talks so many about rebuking one another and the proverbs are filled with how we should be able and willing to take rebuke. When it comes to someone offending us, the Bible commands us to go and talk to that person without discovering the issue to another, and if the person hears you, then you have gained a brother. This verse really jumped out in that we ought to help one another with meekness. We need to show them God's love, and part of that is showing them how the Bible says that what is being done is wrong, and depending, even how it potentially hurt them. We shouldn't think of ourselves as better or superior to them in any way as you said. Amen!

I also wanted to add how important it is to follow the Holy Spirit when judging others actions.

That way we are following God's judgement and not letting our own thoughts and feelings get in the way of God's will.

As many have already said it is important to be willing to be judged also, our pride can get in the way too much and we end up getting angry or defensive when someone confronts us over our sin.

If we're not willing to be judged by other believers we are not living fully under God's guidance, in my humble opinion anyway.

Amen. Agree 100% We have to follow the Holy Spirit's leading or we will mess it up every time, and we need to be Spirit-controlled in our responses as well when someone gives us rebuke. Amen.

If you don't mind me asking though, I'm loving the flow of this thread (AMEN!), but how do you deal with someone who is wrongly rebuking with a superiority complex?

First thing i do is to try and explain my stance with scripture, if i can't then i need to change my stance to match scripture.

If the person still persists even after i have used scripture to justify myself i of course pray for themand try to talk itout, unfortunatly sometimes you just have to walk away and not let a person get to you, in the end you can only do so much and the rest is up to God and the person in question.

[Matthitjah]

"Judge not lest you be judged. You therefore have no right to judge me when it comes to my sins!!"

The world often takes this verse out of context and uses it to accuse Christians of being "judgmental" when they speak of sin. In the context of the verse Jesus is telling His disciples not to judge one another, something the Bible condemns (Romans 14:10; James 4:11). In Luke 6:41,42 He speaks of seeing a speck in a brother's eye. In John 7:24 He said, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement." If someone steals, lies, commits adultery or murder, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) judgement and say the the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences.

"True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It's knowing what should be tolerated-and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn't."

-Chuck Colson

How DARE you even bring the subject up! I hope you have SPF 10,000 sunscreen my friend, because you are going to HELL! Hell, I say! And I'm pretty sure you smell, have bad table manners, and kick puppies!

And another thing - you're ugly!

Reminds me of the old joke about the Christian who happens along another Christian on the ledge of a Bridge.

[wyguy]

"Judge not lest you be judged. You therefore have no right to judge me when it comes to my sins!!"

The world often takes this verse out of context and uses it to accuse Christians of being "judgmental" when they speak of sin. In the context of the verse Jesus is telling His disciples not to judge one another, something the Bible condemns (Romans 14:10; James 4:11). In Luke 6:41,42 He speaks of seeing a speck in a brother's eye. In John 7:24 He said, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement." If someone steals, lies, commits adultery or murder, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) judgement and say the the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences.

"True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It's knowing what should be tolerated-and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn't."

-Chuck Colson

How DARE you even bring the subject up! I hope you have SPF 10,000 sunscreen my friend, because you are going to HELL! Hell, I say! And I'm pretty sure you smell, have bad table manners, and kick puppies!

And another thing - you're ugly!

Reminds me of the old joke about the Christian who happens along another Christian on the ledge of a Bridge.

I've never heard that one....tell me!

[OneLight]

The big problem I see these days is that people are too afraid of what others think of them and not concerned enough of how God sees them. If God places us in a position where we see someone sinning, and say nothing, are we doing His will?

Amen Onelight, no we are probably not doing His will, especially in the case of someone we know to be saved. For us to judge an unsaved person? I think a different route needs to be followed in this regard - more of a pointing towards Jesus and the good news?

Yes, there is a difference ... We are to help with our brothers and sisters when we see them in sin, a warning through scripture. Unbelievers are always in sin because of the nature of the beast, us. Foro them, salvation is what is needed. Tell them the truth and let the Holy Spirit work in them; being an example for Christ in all we do.

[Guest]

Judge not lest you be judged. You therefore have no right to judge me when it comes to my sins!!"

The world often takes this verse out of context and uses it to accuse Christians of being "judgmental" when they speak of sin. In the context of the verse Jesus is telling His disciples not to judge one another, something the Bible condemns (Romans 14:10; James 4:11). In Luke 6:41,42 He speaks of seeing a speck in a brother's eye. In John 7:24 He said, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement." If someone steals, lies, commits adultery or murder, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) judgement and say the the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences.

"True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It's knowing what should be tolerated-and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn't."

-Chuck Colson

How DARE you even bring the subject up! I hope you have SPF 10,000 sunscreen my friend, because you are going to HELL! Hell, I say! And I'm pretty sure you smell, have bad table manners, and kick puppies!

And another thing - you're ugly!

Reminds me of the old joke about the Christian who happens along another Christian on the ledge of a Bridge.

I've never heard that one....tell me!

I was walking across a bridge one day and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said,

"Stop! Don't do it!"

"Why shouldn't I?" he said.

"Well, there is so much to live for."

"Like what?"

"Well, are you religious?"

He said yes.

I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"

"Christian."

"Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"

"Protestant."

"Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"

"Baptist."

"Wow, me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"

"Baptist Church of God."

"Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"

"Reformed Baptist Church of God."

"Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?"

He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915."

I said, "Die, heretic," and pushed him off. Emo Philips

[wyguy]

Judge not lest you be judged. You therefore have no right to judge me when it comes to my sins!!"

The world often takes this verse out of context and uses it to accuse Christians of being "judgmental" when they speak of sin. In the context of the verse Jesus is telling His disciples not to judge one another, something the Bible condemns (Romans 14:10; James 4:11). In Luke 6:41,42 He speaks of seeing a speck in a brother's eye. In John 7:24 He said, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement." If someone steals, lies, commits adultery or murder, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) judgement and say the the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences.

"True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It's knowing what should be tolerated-and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn't."

-Chuck Colson

How DARE you even bring the subject up! I hope you have SPF 10,000 sunscreen my friend, because you are going to HELL! Hell, I say! And I'm pretty sure you smell, have bad table manners, and kick puppies!

And another thing - you're ugly!

Reminds me of the old joke about the Christian who happens along another Christian on the ledge of a Bridge.

I've never heard that one....tell me!

I was walking across a bridge one day and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said,

"Stop! Don't do it!"

"Why shouldn't I?" he said.

"Well, there is so much to live for."

"Like what?"

"Well, are you religious?"

He said yes.

I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"

"Christian."

"Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"

"Protestant."

"Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"

"Baptist."

"Wow, me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"

"Baptist Church of God."

"Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"

"Reformed Baptist Church of God."

"Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?"

He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915."

I said, "Die, heretic," and pushed him off. Emo Philips

[RigMedic]

Judge not lest you be judged. You therefore have no right to judge me when it comes to my sins!!"

The world often takes this verse out of context and uses it to accuse Christians of being "judgmental" when they speak of sin. In the context of the verse Jesus is telling His disciples not to judge one another, something the Bible condemns (Romans 14:10; James 4:11). In Luke 6:41,42 He speaks of seeing a speck in a brother's eye. In John 7:24 He said, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement." If someone steals, lies, commits adultery or murder, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) judgement and say the the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences.

"True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It's knowing what should be tolerated-and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn't."

-Chuck Colson

How DARE you even bring the subject up! I hope you have SPF 10,000 sunscreen my friend, because you are going to HELL! Hell, I say! And I'm pretty sure you smell, have bad table manners, and kick puppies!

And another thing - you're ugly!

Reminds me of the old joke about the Christian who happens along another Christian on the ledge of a Bridge.

I've never heard that one....tell me!

I was walking across a bridge one day and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said,

"Stop! Don't do it!"

"Why shouldn't I?" he said.

"Well, there is so much to live for."

"Like what?"

"Well, are you religious?"

He said yes.

I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"

"Christian."

"Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"

"Protestant."

"Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"

"Baptist."

"Wow, me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"

"Baptist Church of God."

"Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"

"Reformed Baptist Church of God."

"Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?"

He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915."

I said, "Die, heretic," and pushed him off. Emo Philips

alright that was pretty funny