How do we live by the Spirit?

[Seeker100]

Walking in the Spirit is obeying God in our hearts. It is listening to God's voice to love everyone and see every human being as infinitely precious and valuable. It is doing our best by the direction of God to help and love mankind. It is loving everyone we meet even those that do us wrong. Anyone can walk in the Spirit, both Christians and Non-Christians as God's voice is in everyone.

I have to disagree with you statement colored. The Holy Spirit resides in us, guiding us, teaching us, creating a us into the likeness of Christ. Unbelievers do not have the Holy Spirit; therefore, can not walk in the spirit as you say.

Christians however can do something that non-Christians can't. Christians believe that Jesus is God and that God is love. In believing this they can meet, see and serve Jesus in everyone they meet. Christians can literally meet and serve Jesus in every person, the good and the bad. Jesus is Love. He is the love to be loved and the love the be served. He is love for other people. Thus Christians have an enormous gift! They can walk in the light. They can align their physcial action to be for God when their motives are for God as they now can do things directly for God by doing things directly to Jesus in everyone they meet.

Christians come to Father by coming to Jesus in each person they meet. It is the gift of life and it is for all people! How blessed mankind is!

Jesus is not in the unsaved, so they can not meet and serve Jesus in them.

You need to be careful stating that those who are not His have Christ and the Holy Spirit in them ...

Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities

[Seeker100]

Walking in the Spirit is obeying God in our hearts. It is listening to God's voice to love everyone and see every human being as infinitely precious and valuable. It is doing our best by the direction of God to help and love mankind. It is loving everyone we meet even those that do us wrong. Anyone can walk in the Spirit, both Christians and Non-Christians as God's voice is in everyone.

I have to disagree with you statement colored. The Holy Spirit resides in us, guiding us, teaching us, creating a us into the likeness of Christ. Unbelievers do not have the Holy Spirit; therefore, can not walk in the spirit as you say.

I read that differently. I didn't think "unbelievers" were being spoken about, but rather those who hold to the One True God.

Christians however can do something that non-Christians can't. Christians believe that Jesus is God and that God is love. In believing this they can meet, see and serve Jesus in everyone they meet. Christians can literally meet and serve Jesus in every person, the good and the bad. Jesus is Love. He is the love to be loved and the love the be served. He is love for other people. Thus Christians have an enormous gift! They can walk in the light. They can align their physcial action to be for God when their motives are for God as they now can do things directly for God by doing things directly to Jesus in everyone they meet.

Christians come to Father by coming to Jesus in each person they meet. It is the gift of life and it is for all people! How blessed mankind is!

Jesus is not in the unsaved, so they can not meet and serve Jesus in them.

You need to be careful stating that those who are not His have Christ and the Holy Spirit in them ...

I would have used different terminology. Even so, what Spirit is it that returns to God that gave it upon physical death?

I too think all have the Spirit, but that not all have been reconciled back to God yet. It is God's

Spirit that animates us. Seems to me that none would live without His animating presence within us.

I think also that if we were to first consider that what we "do to the least of these" by seeing the Christ Spirit within others, even if that Spirit has not been born in them, may... just may expedite it's birth.

Permie!!! Good to see you again!!!!

[~Shalhevet~]

I have not always been a Christian. When I was a non-Christian God was my joy. I knew very well what God wanted me to do and for the most part I obeyed because I loved God. Before I ever even knew that Christianity believes that Jesus is God, I walked in the Spirit. I felt the joy of God in my heart and I obeyed it.

You cannot feel God and walk in the spirit without believing first. The bolded doesn't even make sense.

I still walk in the Spirit as I did when I was a non-Christian however now it is so much better as I can serve Jesus in each person I meet.

Again, unbelievers cannot walk in the spirit.

[OneLight]

Walking in the Spirit is obeying God in our hearts. It is listening to God's voice to love everyone and see every human being as infinitely precious and valuable. It is doing our best by the direction of God to help and love mankind. It is loving everyone we meet even those that do us wrong. Anyone can walk in the Spirit, both Christians and Non-Christians as God's voice is in everyone.

I have to disagree with you statement colored. The Holy Spirit resides in us, guiding us, teaching us, creating a us into the likeness of Christ. Unbelievers do not have the Holy Spirit; therefore, can not walk in the spirit as you say.

Christians however can do something that non-Christians can't. Christians believe that Jesus is God and that God is love. In believing this they can meet, see and serve Jesus in everyone they meet. Christians can literally meet and serve Jesus in every person, the good and the bad. Jesus is Love. He is the love to be loved and the love the be served. He is love for other people. Thus Christians have an enormous gift! They can walk in the light. They can align their physcial action to be for God when their motives are for God as they now can do things directly for God by doing things directly to Jesus in everyone they meet.

Christians come to Father by coming to Jesus in each person they meet. It is the gift of life and it is for all people! How blessed mankind is!

Jesus is not in the unsaved, so they can not meet and serve Jesus in them.

You need to be careful stating that those who are not His have Christ and the Holy Spirit in them ...

Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. Romans 1:19

Also the entire old testimate is about following God's voice. The people at that time could certainly follow the Spirit's voice if they wished. They did not have Jesus in the old testimate but they certainly had God's voice and could if they chose obeyed this voice and thus walked in the Spirit.

I have not always been a Christian. When I was a non-Christian God was my joy. I knew very well what God wanted me to do and for the most part I obeyed because I loved God. Before I ever even knew that Christianity believes that Jesus is God, I walked in the Spirit. I felt the joy of God in my heart and I obeyed it.

Later when I found out that Christianity believes that Jesus is God I found this amazing. Imagine God has come to our earth physically as a human being. This I found incredible!!

I came to believe that Jesus is God and when I did the Holy Spirit came on me really strong and is with me to this day. When the Holy Spirit came in me in a special way I became born again. I still walk in the Spirit as I did when I was a non-Christian however now it is so much better as I can serve Jesus in each person I meet. I meet Jesus in everyone I meet, good or bad, believing or unbelieving. Jesus is the love to be loved and the love to be served.

Doing what is right does not equate to walking in the Spirit or that Jesus is in them. Jesus is not in anyone who has not accepted Him as their Savior. That is impossible. There are millions who do good, what is right to another, but deny God. They are not walking in the Spirit or have the Holy Spirit abiding in them. There is a difference. Yes, Romans does tell us that we can know His invisible attributes, eternal power and Godhead through His creation. I strongly believe that this speaks to those who never hear His words, not to those who hear and reject them. I also believe that God does judge the heart of those who have a law onto themselves, who are those I just spoke of.

Romans 2:12-16

12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

Since Christ, one cannot say they are walking in the Spirit without Christ. This is false teaching. One may "think" they are walking in the Spirit, but they are not. Scripture does not uphold your statement. God did not talk to everyone in the OT either. They were guided by the priests and prophets.

[EricH]

Paul said this in Galatians 5:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit. We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

(Galatians 5:22-26 HCSB)

[Permie]

Walking in the Spirit is obeying God in our hearts. It is listening to God's voice to love everyone and see every human being as infinitely precious and valuable. It is doing our best by the direction of God to help and love mankind. It is loving everyone we meet even those that do us wrong. Anyone can walk in the Spirit, both Christians and Non-Christians as God's voice is in everyone.

I have to disagree with you statement colored. The Holy Spirit resides in us, guiding us, teaching us, creating a us into the likeness of Christ. Unbelievers do not have the Holy Spirit; therefore, can not walk in the spirit as you say.

I read that differently. I didn't think "unbelievers" were being spoken about, but rather those who hold to the One True God.

How can you read it any different then how it is written? Tell me, who are the "Non-Believers" that can walk in the Spirit?

Christians however can do something that non-Christians can't. Christians believe that Jesus is God and that God is love. In believing this they can meet, see and serve Jesus in everyone they meet. Christians can literally meet and serve Jesus in every person, the good and the bad. Jesus is Love. He is the love to be loved and the love the be served. He is love for other people. Thus Christians have an enormous gift! They can walk in the light. They can align their physcial action to be for God when their motives are for God as they now can do things directly for God by doing things directly to Jesus in everyone they meet.

Christians come to Father by coming to Jesus in each person they meet. It is the gift of life and it is for all people! How blessed mankind is!

Jesus is not in the unsaved, so they can not meet and serve Jesus in them.

You need to be careful stating that those who are not His have Christ and the Holy Spirit in them ...

I would have used different terminology. Even so, what Spirit is it that returns to God that gave it upon physical death?

The spirit of the believer, for the Holy Spirit is God, as with the Father and the Son. Known as the Trinity.

I too think all have the Spirit, but that not all have been reconciled back to God yet. It is God's

Spirit that animates us. Seems to me that none would live without His animating presence within us.

Then your understanding of scripture is wrong. It is not until one accepts Christ that His Spirit is in us. Show me scripture where it tells us that the Holy Spirit is in everyone, saved and unsaved.

I think also that if we were to first consider that what we "do to the least of these" by seeing the Christ Spirit within others, even if that Spirit has not been born in them, may... just may expedite it's birth.

Provide scripture that states that His Spirit dwells in the unbeliever.

John 14:26

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

John 15:26

But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

John 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

Acts 2:38

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:14-19 (New King James Version)

Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

There are many more references, but you get the idea. Only those who receive Christ have the Holy Spirit.

Onelight,

I made a response, but was told by the system that I had more than the allowed number of quoted blocks. So... this response will made a little differently than is usually seen:

Seeker's Comment: Anyone can walk in the Spirit, both Christians and Non-Christians as God's voice is in everyone.

OneLight's Comment: Unbelievers do not have the Holy Spirit; therefore, can not walk in the spirit as you say.

Permie's Comment: I read that differently. I didn't think "unbelievers" were being spoken about, but rather those who hold to the One True God.

OneLight's Comment: How can you read it any different then how it is written? Tell me, who are the "Non-Believers" that can walk in the Spirit?

As I said, I don't see 'unbelievers' being mentioned. Only 'non-Christians'. There are those who believe in God, but are not Christian. Do you think Jesus ignores those of another religion whom love God with all their mind, heart, strength and soul and their neighbor as themselves, or are trying to?

Permie: I too think all have the Spirit, but that not all have been reconciled back to God yet. It is God's

Spirit that animates us. Seems to me that none would live without His animating presence within us.

Onelight: Then your understanding of scripture is wrong. It is not until one accepts Christ that His Spirit is in us. Show me scripture where it tells us that the Holy Spirit is in everyone, saved and unsaved.

Permie: I think also that if we were to first consider that what we "do to the least of these" by seeing the Christ Spirit within others, even if that Spirit has not been born in them, may... just may expedite it's birth.

OneLight: Provide scripture that states that His Spirit dwells in the unbeliever.

1. Jeremiah 23:24

Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

According to the bible, we are each made of the earth. There is no where that God is not: If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Psalm 139:8

Maybe the reason you find this idea of God (Spirit) being in even non-believers wrong is because you restrict your thinking to those who have the spirit to those "who are reconciled back to God"? Yet, God says that He fills all the earth.

It's true that those who are reconciled back to God are filled more fully with God's spirit and are anointed with His power. Not only that, but believers have the opportunity to return to God with their individuality, whereas non-believers do not.

2. Ecclesiastes 12:1 & 6-7

1Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

6Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

You had said: "The spirit of the believer, for the Holy Spirit is God, as with the Father and the Son. Known as the Trinity."

Prior to being filled with the Holy Spirit, the spark of the animating Spirit of God dwells within us, it is what pulls us to God and drives us to know God. The above scriptures contradict your statement that it is only the spirit of the believer that returns. The Spirit of God that was in the unbeliever returns without the individual's personality.

OneLight: Then your understanding of scripture is wrong.

It could only be that we are reading the same words from different levels of understanding. There are four levels of understanding to the bible, you know?

They are:

1. literal, simple - BREADTH

2. parable, allegory - LENGTH

3. seek, search - DEPTH

4. inner, mystical - HEIGHT

Only those with understandings below the level of #4 tell anyone that they are wrong in their understanding of scripture.

Edited January 19, 2010 by Permie

[nebula]

Only those with understandings below the level of #4 tell anyone that they are wrong in their understanding of scripture.

Jesus told people their understanding of Scripture was wrong a lot.

Several words in Acts and the Epistles address people with wrong understanding of Scripture.

Many cults have arisen throughout history that erred in the understanding of Scripture and needed to be rebuked.

So I am not understanding this statement of yours.

[OneLight]

Onelight,

I made a response, but was told by the system that I had more than the allowed number of quoted blocks. So... this response will made a little differently than is usually seen:

Seeker's Comment: Anyone can walk in the Spirit, both Christians and Non-Christians as God's voice is in everyone.

OneLight's Comment: Unbelievers do not have the Holy Spirit; therefore, can not walk in the spirit as you say.

Permie's Comment: I read that differently. I didn't think "unbelievers" were being spoken about, but rather those who hold to the One True God.

OneLight's Comment: How can you read it any different then how it is written? Tell me, who are the "Non-Believers" that can walk in the Spirit?

As I said, I don't see 'unbelievers' being mentioned. Only 'non-Christians'. There are those who believe in God, but are not Christian. Do you think Jesus ignores those of another religion whom love God with all their mind, heart, strength and soul and their neighbor as themselves, or are trying to?

Semantics, I see. I see non-Christians to be those who have not accepted Christ, so they are unbelievers. If they believed, they would accept Him. If you are talking about those in the vast parts of the world that have not heard the word of God, then I would agree.

But the fact still remains, one cannot walk in the Spirit unless they have the Spirit. Unbelievers or non-Christians do not, so they can not. Show me one example in scripture from the New Testament where someone who has not accepted Christ is walking in the Spirit, for we are talking about the Holy Spirit as it applies to today. For the non-Christians, He convicts them of their sins. The Spirit does not abide with them as He does with believers.

Permie: I too think all have the Spirit, but that not all have been reconciled back to God yet. It is God's

Spirit that animates us. Seems to me that none would live without His animating presence within us.

Onelight: Then your understanding of scripture is wrong. It is not until one accepts Christ that His Spirit is in us. Show me scripture where it tells us that the Holy Spirit is in everyone, saved and unsaved.

Permie: I think also that if we were to first consider that what we "do to the least of these" by seeing the Christ Spirit within others, even if that Spirit has not been born in them, may... just may expedite it's birth.

OneLight: Provide scripture that states that His Spirit dwells in the unbeliever.

1. Jeremiah 23:24

Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

According to the bible, we are each made of the earth. There is no where that God is not: If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Psalm 139:8

Maybe the reason you find this idea of God (Spirit) being in even non-believers wrong is because you restrict your thinking to those who have the spirit to those "who are reconciled back to God"? Yet, God says that He fills all the earth.

It's true that those who are reconciled back to God are filled more fully with God's spirit and are anointed with His power. Not only that, but believers have the opportunity to return to God with their individuality, whereas non-believers do not.

2. Ecclesiastes 12:1 & 6-7

1Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

6Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

You had said: "The spirit of the believer, for the Holy Spirit is God, as with the Father and the Son. Known as the Trinity."

Prior to being filled with the Holy Spirit, the spark of the animating Spirit of God dwells within us, it is what pulls us to God and drives us to know God. The above scriptures contradict your statement that it is only the spirit of the believer that returns. The Spirit of God that was in the unbeliever returns without the individual's personality.

The Spirit of God, in the OT, is not the same as the Holy Spirit spoken of in the NT. You ignore scripture that I have posted. Why?

As for your statement I have colored, Gods spirit fills the earth in a different way then He fills us. God is Omnipresent, but His Spirit does not dwell in everyone, as you claim. That goes against all of scripture as Christ and the Apostles taught. What you are saying is very similar to Christian Universalism, which is a false doctrine. What exactly are your beliefs on salvation and the Holy Spirit?

I have to also address your comment that we are all made of the earth. Adam is the only one God created from the dust of the earth, Everyone else comes from the seed of man, or in Eves case, his side. Another false teaching.

Another false teaching you bring is when you state that the Holy Spirit that dwells in an unbeliever returns to God when the unbeliever dies. Show me scripture where this is said. The Holy Spirit does not dwell in someone who has not accepted Jesus as their savior. Again, I pointed this out to you with scripture, and again, you do not address it, but twist scripture to make false claims. You are taking scripture from the Old Testament and trying to apply it to today instead of addressing what the New Testament states. In order to do this, you twist the original meanings.

OneLight: Then your understanding of scripture is wrong.

It could only be that we are reading the same words from different levels of understanding. There are four levels of understanding to the bible, you know?

They are:

1. literal, simple - BREADTH

2. parable, allegory - LENGTH

3. seek, search - DEPTH

4. inner, mystical - HEIGHT

Only those with understandings below the level of #4 tell anyone that they are wrong in their understanding of scripture.

Again, you know only what you want to understand. Is this one of the things Christ showed you in the three years He taught you privately, that you would not bring until someone addresses the subject? Tell me this truth, do you see yourself as someone who is of more understanding then me? Is this what you are trying to say eloquently? I must also ask if you are a follower Christian Mysticism?

Scripture is given to use to guide us and when someone comes in with false doctrine and false teachings, we are to address them with what they are holding as true with scripture. I have done this, but it has been ignored. Let me once again bring in scripture to address what scripture is for.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New King James Version)

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

1 John 4:1

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

This I have done with your teaching and I find it false.

[Permie]

Semantics, I see. I see non-Christians to be those who have not accepted Christ, so they are unbelievers.

Yes, which is why I said I read it differently. I did not add to the statement made and imagined it to mean unbeliever. Let Seeker say which he meant.

But the fact still remains, one cannot walk in the Spirit unless they have the Spirit.

This is true. The other fact that remains is that a person could not be alive unless God animated them.

The semantics are: "walking" in the Spirit versus being made to be a "living being" by the Spirit.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

Nothing exists without God.

Unbelievers or non-Christians do not, so they can not. Show me one example in scripture from the New Testament where someone who has not accepted Christ is walking in the Spirit, for we are talking about the Holy Spirit as it applies to today. For the non-Christians, He convicts them of their sins. The Spirit does not abide with them as He does with believers.

When speaking of "walking in the Spirit" this is true.

Permie: I too think all have the Spirit, but that not all have been reconciled back to God yet. It is God's

Spirit that animates us. Seems to me that none would live without His animating presence within us.

Onelight: Then your understanding of scripture is wrong. It is not until one accepts Christ that His Spirit is in us. Show me scripture where it tells us that the Holy Spirit is in everyone, saved and unsaved.

Permie: I think also that if we were to first consider that what we "do to the least of these" by seeing the Christ Spirit within others, even if that Spirit has not been born in them, may... just may expedite it's birth.

OneLight: Provide scripture that states that His Spirit dwells in the unbeliever.

1. Jeremiah 23:24

Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

According to the bible, we are each made of the earth. There is no where that God is not: If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Psalm 139:8

Maybe the reason you find this idea of God (Spirit) being in even non-believers wrong is because you restrict your thinking to those who have the spirit to those "who are reconciled back to God"? Yet, God says that He fills all the earth.

It's true that those who are reconciled back to God are filled more fully with God's spirit and are anointed with His power. Not only that, but believers have the opportunity to return to God with their individuality, whereas non-believers do not.

2. Ecclesiastes 12:1 & 6-7

1Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

6Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

You had said: "The spirit of the believer, for the Holy Spirit is God, as with the Father and the Son. Known as the Trinity."

Prior to being filled with the Holy Spirit, the spark of the animating Spirit of God dwells within us, it is what pulls us to God and drives us to know God. The above scriptures contradict your statement that it is only the spirit of the believer that returns. The Spirit of God that was in the unbeliever returns without the individual's personality.

The Spirit of God, in the OT, is not the same as the Holy Spirit spoken of in the NT. You ignore scripture that I have posted. Why?

As for your statement I have colored, Gods spirit fills the earth in a different way then He fills us. God is Omnipresent, but His Spirit does not dwell in everyone, as you claim. That goes against all of scripture as Christ and the Apostles taught. What you are saying is very similar to Christian Universalism, which is a false doctrine. What exactly are your beliefs on salvation and the Holy Spirit?

I did not ignore them. I was, however, having trouble with the quote function.

As for your second paragraph, I have no contention with what you are saying, except that the semantics of "walking in the Spirit" and being "animated by the Spirit" are being overlooked. They are two different things.

I have to also address your comment that we are all made of the earth. Adam is the only one God created from the dust of the earth, Everyone else comes from the seed of man, or in Eves case, his side. Another false teaching.

Another false teaching you bring is when you state that the Holy Spirit that dwells in an unbeliever returns to God when the unbeliever dies. Show me scripture where this is said. The Holy Spirit does not dwell in someone who has not accepted Jesus as their savior. Again, I pointed this out to you with scripture, and again, you do not address it, but twist scripture to make false claims. You are taking scripture from the Old Testament and trying to apply it to today instead of addressing what the New Testament states. In order to do this, you twist the original meanings.

I already provided the scripture that shows the Spirit returns to God that gave it.

Rather than twisting the scripture as you suggest/accuse, there is misunderstanding of what is being said/meant i.e the semantics.

You posted below this scripture: 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New King James Version)

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

At the time that that was written, what scripture do you think was being referred to? The New Testament had not even been compiled yet.

Do you think God changes?

OneLight: Then your understanding of scripture is wrong.

It could only be that we are reading the same words from different levels of understanding. There are four levels of understanding to the bible, you know?

They are:

1. literal, simple - BREADTH

2. parable, allegory - LENGTH

3. seek, search - DEPTH

4. inner, mystical - HEIGHT

Only those with understandings below the level of #4 tell anyone that they are wrong in their understanding of scripture.

Again, you know only what you want to understand. Is this one of the things Christ showed you in the three years He taught you privately, that you would not bring until someone addresses the subject?

I note the additional accusation and to answer your question: No, not exactly. I used to speak about the bible in wonder-ment concerning how there are so many levels of understandings to each verse... how more becomes apparent and the understandings can become deeper and deeper. One day a Jewish rabbi told me that the Jews teach that there are 4 levels of understanding to each verse of the bible. This is how I came to know of this 'thing'.

Tell me this truth, do you see yourself as someone who is of more understanding then me? Is this what you are trying to say eloquently? I must also ask if you are a follower Christian Mysticism?

No; no; no. I am a follower of Christ Jesus.

Scripture is given to use to guide us and when someone comes in with false doctrine and false teachings, we are to address them with what they are holding as true with scripture. I have done this, but it has been ignored. Let me once again bring in scripture to address what scripture is for.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (New King James Version)

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

1 John 4:1

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

This I have done with your teaching and I find it false.

Shall we call on God and have Him judge between us?

[nebula]

OneLight: Then your understanding of scripture is wrong.

It could only be that we are reading the same words from different levels of understanding. There are four levels of understanding to the bible, you know?

They are:

1. literal, simple - BREADTH

2. parable, allegory - LENGTH

3. seek, search - DEPTH

4. inner, mystical - HEIGHT

Only those with understandings below the level of #4 tell anyone that they are wrong in their understanding of scripture

Again, you know only what you want to understand. Is this one of the things Christ showed you in the three years He taught you privately, that you would not bring until someone addresses the subject?

I note the additional accusation and to answer your question: No, not exactly. I used to speak about the bible in wonder-ment concerning how there are so many levels of understandings to each verse... how more becomes apparent and the understandings can become deeper and deeper. One day a Jewish rabbi told me that the Jews teach that there are 4 levels of understanding to each verse of the bible. This is how I came to know of this 'thing'.

I would like to ask again:

You said: "Only those with understandings below the level of #4 tell anyone that they are wrong in their understanding of scripture."

But Jesus told people their understanding of Scripture was wrong a lot.

Several words in Acts and the Epistles address people with wrong understanding of Scripture.

Many cults have arisen throughout history that erred in the understanding of Scripture and needed to be rebuked.

So I am not understanding this statement of yours.