George Fox

[Seeker100]

Obey God's inner voice as George Fox teaches and this inner voice (God) will deliver you from your sins.

God's inner voice delivers from sin?

I don't see that written in Scripture.

I do, however, see that "the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin."

LOL! Jesus blood does not clean if you are not obeying.

The inner voice is God. The inner voice is Christ. Christ is not saving you if you are running away from Him.

[Matthitjah]

Oh yeah quaker's today are not even believers, they do not believe that Christ is the only path to salvation, I am not even sure they believe in Christ as Lord anymore.

Fruits of this teaching?

I am a Quaker. I believe that Jesus is God. He is my salvation.

Is that the doctrine of the Quaker faith though? I always look to be corrected if I hold incorrect beliefs. I had thought that Quakers could hold any number of beliefs about Christ about Trinity and about the Holy Bible as the infallible Word of God? The ones I have known (which could indeed be a skewed sample), do not confess any of those things but are more into peace and meditation (which are good things), and believe that many paths lead to God. But I really do stand to be corrected and apologize if I was wrong. I would be interested in your take on those things, thanks.

The original Quakers believed that Jesus is God and that we must serve Him by obeying God's voice in our hearts. The original Quakers believed the bible as long as it was interpreted through the Holy Ghost.

In time however there was a big split. In the 1800's the Quakers split into two separate groups. One group became known as the Orthodox Quakers as they believe that Jesus is God. They other group became known as the Liberal Quakers as they do not believe that Jesus is God nor do they believe that the bible is true.

The Quakers that you are meeting are Liberal Quakers. They do not agree with George Fox's view that Jesus is God. In Canada due to our small population the Liberal and Orthodox Quakers joined. Thus we are a mix. I am an Orthodox Quaker but many in my meeting house are Liberal Quakers. I do not agree with their views but that is fine they can believe what they want to believe. As for me I believe that Jesus is God and is thus the light of the world as George Fox taught.

Grace to you,

So your not bothered by the fact that some in your meeting house are hell bound sinners in need of Grace?

Peace,

Dave

[nebula]

LOL! Jesus blood does not clean if you are not obeying.

The inner voice is God. The inner voice is Christ. Christ is not saving you if you are running away from Him.

So you are saying that "obeying the inner voice" is what bring s salvation?

[Guest yod]

Oh yeah quaker's today are not even believers, they do not believe that Christ is the only path to salvation, I am not even sure they believe in Christ as Lord anymore.

Fruits of this teaching?

I am a Quaker. I believe that Jesus is God. He is my salvation.

Is that the doctrine of the Quaker faith though? I always look to be corrected if I hold incorrect beliefs. I had thought that Quakers could hold any number of beliefs about Christ about Trinity and about the Holy Bible as the infallible Word of God? The ones I have known (which could indeed be a skewed sample), do not confess any of those things but are more into peace and meditation (which are good things), and believe that many paths lead to God. But I really do stand to be corrected and apologize if I was wrong. I would be interested in your take on those things, thanks.

The original Quakers believed that Jesus is God and that we must serve Him by obeying God's voice in our hearts. The original Quakers believed the bible as long as it was interpreted through the Holy Ghost.

In time however there was a big split. In the 1800's the Quakers split into two separate groups. One group became known as the Orthodox Quakers as they believe that Jesus is God. They other group became known as the Liberal Quakers as they do not believe that Jesus is God nor do they believe that the bible is true.

this could be said about almost every denomination.

I think we should ease up a bit on this brother, here. It seems like everyone is jumping on him based on their perceptions of what "Quaker" means.

He has as much right as anyone to follow his conscience and convictions. I haven't heard anything from him that alarms me as much as the replacement theology being openly proclaimed in many threads here.

[Miss Elly]

Good Post. Christ came so that we could leave sin.

so, you are totally sin free in your life?

No but Christ is living in me and refining me. I am able to leave sin by serving Jesus in everyone I meet. This connection to Jesus is what lets us leave sin. We must make God King. We must put love first.

What do you mean by "leave sin"?

can you expound more please?

do you believe that we as Christians can be totally without sin while on this world, in these bodies?

We leave sin when we do the will of the Lord. We leave sin when we live our lives for love. Follow God in your heart and He will teach you how to leave sin.

We are God's workmanship. He is making us perfect if we let Him.

We are to strive for perfection and for the mark of the high calling which is in Christ Jesus. Are you judging other christians, it sounds like it. Even though they may say with words that they "sin" every day, they are just as saved as you are if they truly belong to God. God is refining and purifying them too. Perhaps they should just SAY, well I lost my temper today (isn't that a sin?) or got aggraveted with my kids (another SIN, lack of patience), and just call it ' I'm being perfected. The bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That includes George Fox. We are saved because we trusted in Jesus's death on the cross and became a new creature. We will never be without temptation to sin. But we have an advocate with the father for forgiveness. He is talking to christians in this verse. Any holiness I have is because of him. I have a long way to go.

[Seeker100]

Grace to you,

as George Fox teaches

But................. George Fox is not the focus of my Faith, Jesus Christ is.

Whose Word takes precedence?

Peace,

Dave

My Goodness!! I just added that so show that Geroge Fox taught to follow God. The focus of everyone's faith is Jesus. George Fox pointed to what the true Jesus is. We are not looking to George Fox we are looking to Jesus. George Fox is simply a man of the Protestant Reformation that pointed people to the Lord.

Let us serve the Lord and live!

[Seeker100]

Good Post. Christ came so that we could leave sin.

so, you are totally sin free in your life?

No but Christ is living in me and refining me. I am able to leave sin by serving Jesus in everyone I meet. This connection to Jesus is what lets us leave sin. We must make God King. We must put love first.

What do you mean by "leave sin"?

can you expound more please?

do you believe that we as Christians can be totally without sin while on this world, in these bodies?

We leave sin when we do the will of the Lord. We leave sin when we live our lives for love. Follow God in your heart and He will teach you how to leave sin.

We are God's workmanship. He is making us perfect if we let Him.

We are to strive for perfection and for the mark of the high calling which is in Christ Jesus. Are you judging other christians, it sounds like it. Even though they may say with words that they "sin" every day, they are just as saved as you are if they truly belong to God. God is refining and purifying them too. Perhaps they should just SAY, well I lost my temper today (isn't that a sin?) or got aggraveted with my kids (another SIN, lack of patience), and just call it ' I'm being perfected. The bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That includes George Fox. We are saved because we trusted in Jesus's death on the cross and became a new creature. We will never be without temptation to sin. But we have an advocate with the father for forgiveness. He is talking to christians in this verse. Any holiness I have is because of him. I have a long way to go.

What you say here is correct. The problem that arrises sometimes is that people who call themselves Christian do not even try to obey the voice of the Lord. They just say I am saved and then live for themselves. Their is no effort on their part to obey the Lord and leave their sin. This is not the Christianity that Jesus brought to the earth.

[Seeker100]

Oh yeah quaker's today are not even believers, they do not believe that Christ is the only path to salvation, I am not even sure they believe in Christ as Lord anymore.

Fruits of this teaching?

I am a Quaker. I believe that Jesus is God. He is my salvation.

Is that the doctrine of the Quaker faith though? I always look to be corrected if I hold incorrect beliefs. I had thought that Quakers could hold any number of beliefs about Christ about Trinity and about the Holy Bible as the infallible Word of God? The ones I have known (which could indeed be a skewed sample), do not confess any of those things but are more into peace and meditation (which are good things), and believe that many paths lead to God. But I really do stand to be corrected and apologize if I was wrong. I would be interested in your take on those things, thanks.

The original Quakers believed that Jesus is God and that we must serve Him by obeying God's voice in our hearts. The original Quakers believed the bible as long as it was interpreted through the Holy Ghost.

In time however there was a big split. In the 1800's the Quakers split into two separate groups. One group became known as the Orthodox Quakers as they believe that Jesus is God. They other group became known as the Liberal Quakers as they do not believe that Jesus is God nor do they believe that the bible is true.

this could be said about almost every denomination.

I think we should ease up a bit on this brother, here. It seems like everyone is jumping on him based on their perceptions of what "Quaker" means.

He has as much right as anyone to follow his conscience and convictions. I haven't heard anything from him that alarms me as much as the replacement theology being openly proclaimed in many threads here.

What is replacement theology?

[nebula]

What you say here is correct. The problem that arrises sometimes is that people who call themselves Christian do not even try to obey the voice of the Lord. They just say I am saved and then live for themselves. Their is no effort on their part to obey the Lord and leave their sin. This is not the Christianity that Jesus brought to the earth.

John 15

1 "1I am the true vine, and My Father is the 2vinedresser. 2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away ; and every branch that bears fruit, He aprunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3 "3You are already bclean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 "4Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit cof itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5 "I am the vine, you are the branches ; he who abides in Me and I in him, he 5bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing . 6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is 6thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

[Seeker100]

Oh yeah quaker's today are not even believers, they do not believe that Christ is the only path to salvation, I am not even sure they believe in Christ as Lord anymore.

Fruits of this teaching?

I am a Quaker. I believe that Jesus is God. He is my salvation.

Is that the doctrine of the Quaker faith though? I always look to be corrected if I hold incorrect beliefs. I had thought that Quakers could hold any number of beliefs about Christ about Trinity and about the Holy Bible as the infallible Word of God? The ones I have known (which could indeed be a skewed sample), do not confess any of those things but are more into peace and meditation (which are good things), and believe that many paths lead to God. But I really do stand to be corrected and apologize if I was wrong. I would be interested in your take on those things, thanks.

The original Quakers believed that Jesus is God and that we must serve Him by obeying God's voice in our hearts. The original Quakers believed the bible as long as it was interpreted through the Holy Ghost.

In time however there was a big split. In the 1800's the Quakers split into two separate groups. One group became known as the Orthodox Quakers as they believe that Jesus is God. They other group became known as the Liberal Quakers as they do not believe that Jesus is God nor do they believe that the bible is true.

The Quakers that you are meeting are Liberal Quakers. They do not agree with George Fox's view that Jesus is God. In Canada due to our small population the Liberal and Orthodox Quakers joined. Thus we are a mix. I am an Orthodox Quaker but many in my meeting house are Liberal Quakers. I do not agree with their views but that is fine they can believe what they want to believe. As for me I believe that Jesus is God and is thus the light of the world as George Fox taught.

Grace to you,

So your not bothered by the fact that some in your meeting house are hell bound sinners in need of Grace?

Peace,

Dave

There are many hell bound sinners in every religious establishment. The Quakers are no different from any other.