What does it mean?

[OneLight]

Time to take a breath of fresh air ...

[MorningGlory]

Yes, the breath is in the blood. Life is in the blood as scripture tells us. The mother maintains two souls and the baby's spirit is totally dependent upon the mother's spirit during this time and cannot exist apart/separate from the life that the mother has, or by proxy if necessary... i.e. machines for premies, until it takes it's first breath. Whereby giving it's own blood life-oxygen through their own intake of breath.

Uh....what?

Do you believe that the soul is the blood, or something?

LOL, no. Did you miss OneLight's post above? Life is in the blood, which is scriptural.

Babies do not share the same blood as the mother. They have their own supply and produce their own blood cells.

From an online source:

The placenta is responsible for working as a trading post between the mother's and the baby's blood supply. Small blood vessels carrying the fetal blood run through the placenta, which is full of maternal blood. Nutrients and oxygen from the mother's blood are transferred to the fetal blood, while waste products are transferred from the fetal blood to the maternal blood, without the two blood supplies mixing.

The umbilical cord is the life-line that attaches the placenta to the fetus. The umbilical cord is made up of three blood vessels: two smaller arteries which carry blood to the placenta and a larger vein which returns blood to the fetus.

How can you say that the mother "maintains two souls." I don't get it.

If you wish to believe that the unborn child has no soul, that is your right to believe that. I personally believe the unborn child does have a soul and due to that the mother has two souls to care for while she is pregnant.

I know that was addressed to Ovedya but all I can say is 'What'? No one said a fetus doesn't have a soul; of course they do. Permie, you don't seem to comprehend anything except your own words. That isn't conducive to learning and growing in the Lord.

It appears to me that YOU are inferring that I'M stupid, Permie. The mother does not 'maintain two souls'; she maintains two bodies until the baby is born. Heck, we don't even 'maintain' our OWN soul. No one is baiting you; you appear to be taking offense where none was given. Because someone doesn't agree with everything you say is no reason to get all sideways.

Just what part of the above in red did you not comprehend? This is a matter of comprehension, not agreement. If you notice also in that statement, I said: if you wish to believe. Is that indicating that I desire agreement? This whole thread was started because I was told I was in error. I want that to be proven, if it is the truth.

I would think it only stands to reason that the two bodies that the mother is caring for also includes two souls. At least to me. That this detail escaped comprehension is nearly unbelievable!

I don't know if you are stupid or not. All I know is that not enough "attempt" at comprehending without also including biting, sniping, and cutting remarks is being made. You said: No one said a fetus doesn't have a soul; of course they do.

Yes, I would think that everyone would also know that too and would then understand the intentions of my words. But, no...

Instead it was: huh?, what?, got scripture?

I think we can try to be mature when discussing things...don't you? Maybe trying a less confrontational approach will bring better results. Being asked for Scripture is not an insult....I have been asked to back something I said with Scripture at one point myself. I have also been argued at, insulted and reported for my comments. You just have to be able to go the distance and provide your sources when asked. It's not a personal attack on you, Permie.

[Ovedya]

Here... maybe this can be rephrased:

The unborn baby has a soul.

The mother has a soul.

With me? There's two souls.

The mother carries the unborn child, whom has a soul.

The mother still has her own soul.

Is she not maintaining two souls?

Maintaining: caring for, nurturing, etc...

If the mother doesn't care for herself (maintain herself), what happens to the baby?

The answer is, no. The mother is not responsible for the soul of the child...techincally.

Technically speaking the baby's soul is not yet developed.

The soul is composed of the mind (the thinking part), the emotions (the feeling part), and the will (the moving part). Since unborn children are not developed fully then their souls are not fully developed.

I think your confusion lies between the division of the soul and spirit, and the proper identifications of each part. This is where we are not communicating.

[Permie]

Here... maybe this can be rephrased:

The unborn baby has a soul.

The mother has a soul.

With me? There's two souls.

The mother carries the unborn child, whom has a soul.

The mother still has her own soul.

Is she not maintaining two souls?

Maintaining: caring for, nurturing, etc...

If the mother doesn't care for herself (maintain herself), what happens to the baby?

Oh I see what you mean now lol thank you!!!! Permie, you'll have to forgive us. I don't think any of understood what you meant by "maintaining 2 souls". Because from a spiritual perspective, the word maintain can mean something totally different when talking about a person's soul. So if you have a handful of people not understanding, then there is a road block and the threads will usually get derailed. Some of us can only go as far as we can understand and with all the heat going on lately, people are extra picky and extra careful so you need to OVEREXPLAIN like everything!! LOL

But I'm still lost in transition trying to figure out what a mother does to nurture an unborn baby's soul? Would you mind explaining that?

Thank you for your graciousness, JamiLea.

Sometimes when over explaining people get upset too, like... what, you think I'm ignorant? Just sayin...

Then, sometimes I will put a lot of thought into a post and it is ignored except for the part that a finger can be pointed at.

(People are funny. That includes me!)

The conversation was about the Spirit, and I don't know why OneLight brought up the subject of an unborn child yet... what he was looking for, but it now may be lost forever?

Anyway, the mother's blood nourishes the baby. The blood, not only contains life, but it also carry's whatever else is put into the mother's body...good or bad. If the mother died, the soul of the baby may not live as a person either. I was not saying that the mother influenced the baby's soul... I don't know about that. I was only talking about how the Spirit would also be present with the baby too due to the presence of life (blood) in the mother.

Without going into too much more I hope that made some sense. This thread is about the Spirit specifically.

[Permie]

Here... maybe this can be rephrased:

The unborn baby has a soul.

The mother has a soul.

With me? There's two souls.

The mother carries the unborn child, whom has a soul.

The mother still has her own soul.

Is she not maintaining two souls?

Maintaining: caring for, nurturing, etc...

If the mother doesn't care for herself (maintain herself), what happens to the baby?

The answer is, no. The mother is not responsible for the soul of the child...techincally.

Technically speaking the baby's soul is not yet developed.

The soul is composed of the mind (the thinking part), the emotions (the feeling part), and the will (the moving part). Since unborn children are not developed fully then their souls are not fully developed.

I think your confusion lies between the division of the soul and spirit, and the proper identifications of each part. This is where we are not communicating.

This thread is not about the soul at all.

[Permie]

Time to take a breath of fresh air ...

Ahhhh... thank you! Your saying that made me smile!

[Permie]

I think we can try to be mature when discussing things...don't you?

I know I can.

Maybe trying a less confrontational approach will bring better results.

Try it and find out.

[Ovedya]

Here... maybe this can be rephrased:

The unborn baby has a soul.

The mother has a soul.

With me? There's two souls.

The mother carries the unborn child, whom has a soul.

The mother still has her own soul.

Is she not maintaining two souls?

Maintaining: caring for, nurturing, etc...

If the mother doesn't care for herself (maintain herself), what happens to the baby?

The answer is, no. The mother is not responsible for the soul of the child...techincally.

Technically speaking the baby's soul is not yet developed.

The soul is composed of the mind (the thinking part), the emotions (the feeling part), and the will (the moving part). Since unborn children are not developed fully then their souls are not fully developed.

I think your confusion lies between the division of the soul and spirit, and the proper identifications of each part. This is where we are not communicating.

This thread is not about the soul at all.

You appear to have made it that way...

Can you address the subjects of my first response to you?

[Gentlewind]

Could someone, within one post, concisely give a definition for these two words: soul, spirit

Thank you.

Gentlewind

[MorningGlory]

I think we can try to be mature when discussing things...don't you?

I know I can.

Maybe trying a less confrontational approach will bring better results.

Try it and find out.

Well, I can too. Being confrontational is something I am often guilty of I admit. But it's really not how the Lord would have us be toward one another and I am trying to curb the tendency. Food for thought.