What does it mean?

[Ovedya]

Constantly the barrage of "provide supporting scripture" has been leveled to denounce things that are said here. I have been providing scripture, which has often been ignored. Now, I ask you: where is the supporting scripture?

I could give you some regarding the "human spirit" that you mentioned, but that probably would go over like a lead foot. So, if you would, please provide supporting scripture for what you said above.

Also, my bible tells me that we are: soul, mind, strength (body) and heart.

If I seem short with you, Ovedya, it just may be that I need to work a bit on that forgiveness thing... being accused of having an agenda, as well as the other insults leveled here lately have yet to roll off my back.

If you can, please forgive my slowness also in forgiving.

"And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. " (1 Thess. 5:23)

Also: Luke 1:46-47; Heb. 4:12; Zech. 12:1; Job 32:8; Prov. 20:27; John 4:24; Rom. 8:16; 1:9; 1 Cor. 14:14-16; 16:18; 2 Cor. 7:13.

[Permie]

Constantly the barrage of "provide supporting scripture" has been leveled to denounce things that are said here. I have been providing scripture, which has often been ignored. Now, I ask you: where is the supporting scripture?

I could give you some regarding the "human spirit" that you mentioned, but that probably would go over like a lead foot. So, if you would, please provide supporting scripture for what you said above.

Also, my bible tells me that we are: soul, mind, strength (body) and heart.

If I seem short with you, Ovedya, it just may be that I need to work a bit on that forgiveness thing... being accused of having an agenda, as well as the other insults leveled here lately have yet to roll off my back.

If you can, please forgive my slowness also in forgiving.

"And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. " (1 Thess. 5:23)

Also: Luke 1:46-47; Heb. 4:12; Zech. 12:1; Job 32:8; Prov. 20:27; John 4:24; Rom. 8:16; 1:9; 1 Cor. 14:14-16; 16:18; 2 Cor. 7:13.

Perhaps I misspoke and it isn't the forgiving so much as the forgetting that I need to do.

I didn't look up the other scripture (nor plan too), but I do thank you for the one you posted.

[OneLight]

I am trying to understand what you are saying here, or asking. It is true that nothing that has been created came into existence without God. Genesis 2:7 states: "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Are you trying to say that He does this every time someone is born?

You have no quarrel with me. I consider you to be 100% correct in this.

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

There is no life without breath is there?

I never said there was, but only Adam was created out of the dust and needed life. Eve was created out of living tissue of Adam, his rib, creating life from life. When creation is in the womb of a mother, life is already there, without the need to breathe air as we do. The needed oxygen is passed onto the child through the mother. Do you agree?

[Permie]

I am trying to understand what you are saying here, or asking. It is true that nothing that has been created came into existence without God. Genesis 2:7 states: "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Are you trying to say that He does this every time someone is born?

You have no quarrel with me. I consider you to be 100% correct in this.

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

There is no life without breath is there?

I never said there was, but only Adam was created out of the dust and needed life. Eve was created out of living tissue of Adam, his rib, creating life from life. When creation is in the womb of a mother, life is already there, without the need to breathe air as we do. The needed oxygen is passed onto the child through the mother. Do you agree?

Yes, the breath is in the blood. Life is in the blood as scripture tells us. The mother maintains two souls and the baby's spirit is totally dependent upon the mother's spirit during this time and cannot exist apart/separate from the life that the mother has, or by proxy if necessary... i.e. machines for premies, until it takes it's first breath. Whereby giving it's own blood life-oxygen through their own intake of breath.

The rib, the bone of Adam, too has marrow. Bone marrow, I think one of it's purposes is to, creates blood.

I never said there was...

I never said you did. I had asked a question.

Edited January 26, 2010 by Permie

[Ovedya]

Yes, the breath is in the blood. Life is in the blood as scripture tells us. The mother maintains two souls and the baby's spirit is totally dependent upon the mother's spirit during this time and cannot exist apart/separate from the life that the mother has, or by proxy if necessary... i.e. machines for premies, until it takes it's first breath. Whereby giving it's own blood life-oxygen through their own intake of breath.

Uh....what?

Babies do not share the same blood as the mother. They have their own supply and produce their own blood cells. How can you say that the mother "maintains two souls." I don't get it.

Do you believe that the soul is the blood, or something?

[OneLight]

I am trying to understand what you are saying here, or asking. It is true that nothing that has been created came into existence without God. Genesis 2:7 states: "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Are you trying to say that He does this every time someone is born?

You have no quarrel with me. I consider you to be 100% correct in this.

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

There is no life without breath is there?

I never said there was, but only Adam was created out of the dust and needed life. Eve was created out of living tissue of Adam, his rib, creating life from life. When creation is in the womb of a mother, life is already there, without the need to breathe air as we do. The needed oxygen is passed onto the child through the mother. Do you agree?

Yes, the breath is in the blood. Life is in the blood as scripture tells us. The mother maintains two souls and the baby's spirit is totally dependent upon the mother's spirit during this time and cannot exist apart/separate from the life that the mother has, or by proxy if necessary... i.e. machines for premies, until it takes it's first breath. Whereby giving it's own blood life-oxygen through their own intake of breath.

The rib, the bone of Adam, too has marrow. Bone marrow, I think one of it's purposes is to, creates blood.

I never said there was...

I never said you did. I had asked a question.

I am not knowledgeable in this, so I will quote an online resource.

Breathing in the Womb

Babies do not actually breathe in the womb---at least, not in the usual sense. Fetal lungs are not fully functional, and are not even able to fully expand, until after birth. During the later stages of gestation, the fetus may "practice" breathing by inhaling and exhaling amniotic fluid. The fetal lungs do not process the amniotic fluid, the way fully formed lungs process air, but experts believe this "breathing" is important to fetal lung development. The fetus gets all of its oxygen and nutrients through the placenta and umbilical cord---a process called fetal circulation.

Fetal Circulation

In post-natal breathing, blood circulates from the heart, to the lungs, then out to the body. As the blood reaches the lungs, it takes in oxygen and filters out carbon dioxide. In prenatal breathing, or fetal circulation, the oxygen arrives in the mother's blood, via the umbilical cord. The umbilical capillaries in the placenta filter the oxygen from the mother's blood to the fetal blood stream and filters carbon dioxide from the fetal blood to the mother's blood stream. The oxygenated blood flows to the fetal heart but, instead of flowing out to the lungs, the blood remains in the heart and circulates through the fetal body. The fetal heart has a special opening between the right and left atria of the heart called the foramen ovale. The foramen ovale allows blood to bypass the lungs and flow directly to the left atrium and ventricle, and out to the fetal body. The blood then returns to the fetal heart and exits the umbilical vein to the mother's blood stream

As far as the mother maintaining the spirit and soul of the baby, I am not sure about that one. The spirit and soul of an individual are from God, are they not? Can you explain what you said a bit further?

[nebula]

Hey, Permie - you left me behind.

With that said, however, what is the spirit that God breathed into man causing him to become a living soul?

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:3

Nothing, separate/apart from Him.

Came into being.

That has come into being.

In Hebrew, the word "spirit" and the word "breath" or the same word: ruach.

The Spirit of God is the Breath of God.

The Breath of God hovered over the waters.

God breathed His breath into man and he became a living soul.

Do you agree that there are many examples of anointed ones?

Ones who are anointed - yes.

But likewise called "anointed one" - Cristos (Christ) or Mashiach (Messiah) - NO!

I do see that there are, and while there may be many anointed ones, there is only one "The Anointed One", whom is a High Priest along the order of Mechelzidek.

Melchelzidek was never called "Messiah"

As we all have been told Jesus was fully God and fully man.

If it can be seen that an anointing can be separate from Jesus, the man,

No we can't. And thus negates the rest.

However, you last statement of disagreement contradicts your first statement that there are ones whom are anointed.

I fail to see how. Your words implies that anyone who has an anointing on them is "Christ".

It is not that the rest is negated. The contradiction of your statements here, I believe, don't allow you to address the remaining points.

No, you cannot separate Jesus into man-part and God-part.

Your statement begins with "if" - take out the "if", there is no "then."

Melchelzidek was never called "Messiah"

I never said he was. I merely said that Jesus was a High Priest along the order of Melchizedek. Why do you insist on reading more into what is actually said?

where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. Hebrews 6:20

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Genesis 14:18

Why are you bringing up Melchizadeck into the "Christ" discussion then?

Is Jesus a created being?

Is Christ (as you are displaying) a created being?

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Are you saying that anyone who is anointed is "Christ"?

Or that "Christ" is the anointing?

because these are the impressions I am getting from your posts.

Either way, these interpretations are far removed from who and what "Messiah" is.

[nebula]

There is no life without breath is there?

Plants have life. Bacteria have life.

It's actually oxygen we need for life.

Along with water.

And other things.

But water is the primary ingredient that is looked for to search for life.

[Permie]

Yes, the breath is in the blood. Life is in the blood as scripture tells us. The mother maintains two souls and the baby's spirit is totally dependent upon the mother's spirit during this time and cannot exist apart/separate from the life that the mother has, or by proxy if necessary... i.e. machines for premies, until it takes it's first breath. Whereby giving it's own blood life-oxygen through their own intake of breath.

Uh....what?

Do you believe that the soul is the blood, or something?

LOL, no. Did you miss OneLight's post above? Life is in the blood, which is scriptural.

Babies do not share the same blood as the mother. They have their own supply and produce their own blood cells.

From an online source:

The placenta is responsible for working as a trading post between the mother's and the baby's blood supply. Small blood vessels carrying the fetal blood run through the placenta, which is full of maternal blood. Nutrients and oxygen from the mother's blood are transferred to the fetal blood, while waste products are transferred from the fetal blood to the maternal blood, without the two blood supplies mixing.

The umbilical cord is the life-line that attaches the placenta to the fetus. The umbilical cord is made up of three blood vessels: two smaller arteries which carry blood to the placenta and a larger vein which returns blood to the fetus.

How can you say that the mother "maintains two souls." I don't get it.

If you wish to believe that the unborn child has no soul, that is your right to believe that. I personally believe the unborn child does have a soul and due to that the mother has two souls to care for while she is pregnant.

[MorningGlory]

Yes, the breath is in the blood. Life is in the blood as scripture tells us. The mother maintains two souls and the baby's spirit is totally dependent upon the mother's spirit during this time and cannot exist apart/separate from the life that the mother has, or by proxy if necessary... i.e. machines for premies, until it takes it's first breath. Whereby giving it's own blood life-oxygen through their own intake of breath.

Uh....what?

Do you believe that the soul is the blood, or something?

LOL, no. Did you miss OneLight's post above? Life is in the blood, which is scriptural.

Babies do not share the same blood as the mother. They have their own supply and produce their own blood cells.

From an online source:

The placenta is responsible for working as a trading post between the mother's and the baby's blood supply. Small blood vessels carrying the fetal blood run through the placenta, which is full of maternal blood. Nutrients and oxygen from the mother's blood are transferred to the fetal blood, while waste products are transferred from the fetal blood to the maternal blood, without the two blood supplies mixing.

The umbilical cord is the life-line that attaches the placenta to the fetus. The umbilical cord is made up of three blood vessels: two smaller arteries which carry blood to the placenta and a larger vein which returns blood to the fetus.

How can you say that the mother "maintains two souls." I don't get it.

If you wish to believe that the unborn child has no soul, that is your right to believe that. I personally believe the unborn child does have a soul and due to that the mother has two souls to care for while she is pregnant.

I know that was addressed to Ovedya but all I can say is 'What'? No one said a fetus doesn't have a soul; of course they do. Permie, you don't seem to comprehend anything except your own words. That isn't conducive to learning and growing in the Lord.