prophesy vs. false prophesy

[MorningGlory]

What more prophecy do we need? We have all we require in the Bible.

Next time someone pulls that, "I've got a prophecy" stuff, tell them, Biblically, you are allowed to stone them if their prophecy turns out to be false.

That should get their attention....!

[e lansing]

I would go where the focus is on Jesus and his will 100% of the time! I think that most have good intentions, but a few are puttin on a show. This look-at-me-because-i-am-holy, has led more people to to feel the way you felt, less then loved, then anything else. it realy is deception when it just a show. Obey His word and follow His leadings. Keep it simple.

[CBE1]

What more prophecy do we need? We have all we require in the Bible.

Next time someone pulls that, "I've got a prophecy" stuff, tell them, Biblically, you are allowed to stone them if their prophecy turns out to be false.

That should get their attention....!

It is not the Bible that saves you!!!

You will have all you need when you are listening to the Lord?

"Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple" Jn 8:59

Are you allowed to stone them? Jesus said that is without sin throw the first stone. He was the only one without sin yet they were trying to stone Him.

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Mt 7:1

No one has to go to a charismatic church to find the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus said His sheep will hear His voice, not necessarily have all the gifts of the Spirit as listed in 1 Corinthians Chapter 12. And clearly Paul wrote to them that love was the most important thing. Still Paul also wrote: Purse love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially tht you may prophesy. [1 Cor 14:1]

You are right that you have the Bible, and that Bible is good for reproof.

1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous...

If someone, anyone is jealous of someone else for whatever reason, including having gifts of the Spirit, it is the person that is jealous, not the person with the gifting that is wrong.

Now we are supposed to be listening to the Lord, and testing the spirits. If anyone is listening to the Lord and testing the spirits as instructed, they can always ask the Lord about any message given to them by anyone, and at anytime. So a false prophet or a real prophet of the Lord accomplishes the same purpose. For those that know the Lord, both a false prophet and a real prophet of the Lord turn back to the Lord and ask Him about any message that is given to them by someone else in the name of the Lord. For those that don't know the Lord both a false prophet and a real prophet causes them to start judging what was said according to their own understanding, and we are not to lean on our own understanding. So for those that love the Lord, all things workout for good, and for those that don't know the Lord, they comdem themselves by their own judgement.

For since the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know the God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. [1 Cor 1:21]

He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. [Mt 10:41]

Do you not know that there was only ever one truely righteous man, and that those that believe in Him are not righteous because of their deeds but because they have receive the righeous man's reward, as it is written "Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness [Gen 15:6]

So then do you not see also that there is only one true prophet, and that those that believe in Him are only called prophets because they have listened to Him, not because they know the future themselves? How can it not be? If you are having conversations with Him, and He knows the future better than you know the past, will not the conversation turn to events in the future at some point, just like a conversaton with another person will at some point turn to topics of the past? If you become friends with Him, we He keep hidden from you what He plans to do?

The Lord said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do..." [Gen 18:17]

There was a man in the camp of Moses that received a dream and prophecied, but Moses was a friend of God's and spoke to Him face to face.

So not all that get the gift of prophecy know the Lord, but all that know the Lord get prophecy because they believe in a prophet.

You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. [Jn 15:3] ... If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. [Jn 15:7] If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love...[Jn 15:9]

Nebuchadnezzar had a prophetic dream, and Belshazzar the king saw a prophetic vision, but it was Daniel that seeked after the Lord and listen to the voice of the Lord, and he wrote,"To the Lord our God belong compassion and forgiveness, for we have rebelled against Him; not have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in His teachings which He set before us through His servants the prophets. Indeed all Israel has transgressed Your law and turned aside, not obeying Your voice...[Dan 9: 9-11]

If someone, anyone, is prasing and giving honor to the Lord, should I come against them? I need to , and we need to look to our own walk with the Lord. I need to, and we need to be seeking the voice of the Lord, and desire the gifts just as it is written. It is not for me to throw the first stone, but if I am acting out of love, then I need to be seeking the Lord and listening to Him.

I don't have it perfect, but so you know. It was my Lord that asked me to write this evening. The teaching about how both false prophets and prophets of the Lord cause us to turn to Him if we know Him, was a teaching He had given me in the past. He also gave me the teaching about how there is only one truely righteousmas and one true prophet, and that He is that One. So those others that are righteous or are prophets are so because they get the reward if they believe in Him.

My Lord is almost always calm and peacful, but I have heard Him angry, and it has almost always been because His people are fighting amoung themselves. If there is a Charasmatic church that is thinking better of themselves because they have gifts from the Spirit given to them, then will not the Lord deal with them? But if there are those judging them by leaning on their own understanding, and against them only because they have gifts of the Spirit, who now will the Lord judge? We need to be listening least we find ourselved opposing the Lord. Moses did not quite the man with the dream in his camp.

[georgedrw81]

At times we are lead to places and hear things we do not like. However it helps to discover the the power of God and to give the His Word to others. You will know when to leave them.

Blessings

[CBE1]

At times we are lead to places and hear things we do not like. However it helps to discover the the power of God and to give the His Word to others. You will know when to leave them.

Blessings

If you are listening to the Lord, you will know when to go, when to leave, when to turn to the left, and when to turn to the right.

I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out... [Jn 10:9]

Your ears will hear a word behind you, "This is the way, walk in it", whenever you turn to the right of to the left. [is 30:21]

If He is leading you like that, what concern is it if someone is a prophet or false prophet? My message is listen to the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ until that day comes when all are hearing from the Lord.

[OneLight]

At times we are lead to places and hear things we do not like. However it helps to discover the the power of God and to give the His Word to others. You will know when to leave them.

Blessings

If you are listening to the Lord, you will know when to go, when to leave, when to turn to the left, and when to turn to the right.

I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out... [Jn 10:9]

Your ears will hear a word behind you, "This is the way, walk in it", whenever you turn to the right of to the left. [is 30:21]

If He is leading you like that, what concern is it if someone is a prophet or false prophet? My message is listen to the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ until that day comes when all are hearing from the Lord.

You are assuming that everyone is in perfect harmony with His Spirit that they will hear His leading every time He speaks, which is an extremely dangerous assumption. You need to realize that everyone is not in the same place in their walk, some are babies in Christ and other are elders. False prophets are warned against all through scripture and we should be very concerned about them, pointing them out to others when they are discovered so the weak in Christ will not fall for their lies. Not doing so is showing an extreme lack of love for your brethren.

To say that we are not to judge others is judging scripture as being bad. Scripture tells us to test all spirits to see if they are of God or not, and to warn of false teachers, false preachers and false prophets.

[e lansing]

At times we are lead to places and hear things we do not like. However it helps to discover the the power of God and to give the His Word to others. You will know when to leave them.

Blessings

If you are listening to the Lord, you will know when to go, when to leave, when to turn to the left, and when to turn to the right.

I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out... [Jn 10:9]

Your ears will hear a word behind you, "This is the way, walk in it", whenever you turn to the right of to the left. [is 30:21]

If He is leading you like that, what concern is it if someone is a prophet or false prophet? My message is listen to the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ until that day comes when all are hearing from the Lord.

You are assuming that everyone is in perfect harmony with His Spirit that they will hear His leading every time He speaks, which is an extremely dangerous assumption. You need to realize that everyone is not in the same place in their walk, some are babies in Christ and other are elders. False prophets are warned against all through scripture and we should be very concerned about them, pointing them out to others when they are discovered so the weak in Christ will not fall for their lies. Not doing so is showing an extreme lack of love for your brethren.

To say that we are not to judge others is judging scripture as being bad. Scripture tells us to test all spirits to see if they are of God or not, and to warn of false teachers, false preachers and false prophets.

If i could add to your point, when people tell me not to judge them, i let them know that its not me but the word of God that judges.

[CBE1]

At times we are lead to places and hear things we do not like. However it helps to discover the the power of God and to give the His Word to others. You will know when to leave them.

Blessings

If you are listening to the Lord, you will know when to go, when to leave, when to turn to the left, and when to turn to the right.

I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out... [Jn 10:9]

Your ears will hear a word behind you, "This is the way, walk in it", whenever you turn to the right of to the left. [is 30:21]

If He is leading you like that, what concern is it if someone is a prophet or false prophet? My message is listen to the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ until that day comes when all are hearing from the Lord.

You are assuming that everyone is in perfect harmony with His Spirit that they will hear His leading every time He speaks, which is an extremely dangerous assumption. You need to realize that everyone is not in the same place in their walk, some are babies in Christ and other are elders. False prophets are warned against all through scripture and we should be very concerned about them, pointing them out to others when they are discovered so the weak in Christ will not fall for their lies. Not doing so is showing an extreme lack of love for your brethren.

To say that we are not to judge others is judging scripture as being bad. Scripture tells us to test all spirits to see if they are of God or not, and to warn of false teachers, false preachers and false prophets.

I am not assuming that everyone is in perfect harmony with His Spirit at all. What I am saying it that if you seek Him you will find Him!!!

That is what is written in the Scriptures. So the problem is that we are not seeking the Lord Jesus Christ!! What is God going to give you if you asked Him for bread? If you ask God for the One who took on flesh and was born in Bethleham [the house of bread], you will get Him. That does not mean that we should not check the spirits as mentioned in 1 Jn 4: 1-3, but only that if you seek the Lord you will find the Lord.

As far as me needing to realize that everyone is not in the same place in their walk; I realize that. That was the point!!

I repeat: "If there is a Charasmatic church that is thinking better of themselves because they have gifts from the Spirit given to them, then will not the Lord deal with them?"

Concerning "To say that we are not to judge others is judging scripture as being bad" How can that be we the Scriptures say "Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Mt 7:1

If the Scriptures plainly say "Do not judge", how can you possible think that my quoting the Scriptures as saying "Do no judge" is judging the scriptures as being bad? That just doesn't make sense at all.

Concerning "False prophets are warned against all through scripture and we should be very concerned about them, pointing them out to others when they are discovered so the weak in Christ will not fall for their lies. Not doing so is showing an extreme lack of love for your brethren."

It is ours to follow the Lord!!! We are to be aware of false prohets, but do you not understand that our battle is not with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities? It is the spirit of false prophecy that we looking out for!!! That spirit might indeed be coming through others, but it might very well be attacking you directly. Paul explained that he took all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ. We are checking the spirits, not the people!!!

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out in to the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. [1 Jn 4:1-3]

When you go into a Christian church (whichever church it maybe) and see that they are praising the Lord Jesus Christ and preaching about Him, then hear things that don't seem right, do you not realize that there maybe a spirit other than and in addition to the Lord opperating there. It is the evil spirits we are looking for and battling with. We have to seek the Spirit of God that confessing that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and to find out what is happening and what needs to be done on our part if any. We should not be looking to take what ever action we think is right, nor make judgements on our own reasoning, but rather turn to the Lord, test the spirits like we are told to do, and get a righteous judgement from the Lord God. You can not use the test above in 1 Jn 4: 1-3 if you are not listening with your spiritual ears. And you won't find the answers you need if you are not turning and seeking the Lord!

[OneLight]

Our purpose, as with Christ's, is not to judge, but to bring His salvation to the world.

John 12:47

And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

You use this scripture to bring in the part of not judging.

Matthew 7:1

Judge not, that you be not judged.

One could also use this one.

Luke 6:37

Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

But is all this telling us not to judge at all? No, it is saying that how we judge, we will be judged. There are many forms of judgment. You can judge if you like a certain car better then another. You can judge if you think one test is harder then another. You can judge if a person is telling the truth about you, or a lie. You can judge a person by their looks. Some may even try to judge one's salvation. Their are many ways to look at judging, but judge we do.

Luke 12:57

Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?

and

John 7:24

Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.

Paul, an Apostle, judged.

1 Corinthians 5

It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.

It is been said that it is a shame if we can not even judge between brethren.

1 Corinthians 6:5

I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?

We are even confronted with not judging again.

1 Corinthians 6:2

Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

And once more!

1 Corinthians 6:3

Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

But, the most important judging we should ever do is ...

1 Corinthians 11:31

For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.

To not judge is wrong. Those who harp on not judging others do not fully understand judging and are trying to be self righteous in one way or another. They may also be trying to hide something in their own lives. They may be walking in fear of being judged righteously themselves, yet fear is not of the Lord. They may be afraid of the consequences of standing up for God's word, being labeled "judgmental". They may say to themselves that it is too much work; I will have to provide my reasons if I judge another.

What ever the reason they use, they are not following His complete word, but only what they choose to follow. Are we not judging when we see a brethren wander from the truth and try to bring them back? How else are we to know that they are in error if we first do not judge them?

James 5:19-20

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

and

1 John 5:16

If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.

By not judging when judging is needed, you are not following scripture. There is judging that should not be done and a wise person will find the difference.

[OneLight]

Concerning "False prophets are warned against all through scripture and we should be very concerned about them, pointing them out to others when they are discovered so the weak in Christ will not fall for their lies. Not doing so is showing an extreme lack of love for your brethren."

It is ours to follow the Lord!!! We are to be aware of false prohets, but do you not understand that our battle is not with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities? It is the spirit of false prophecy that we looking out for!!! That spirit might indeed be coming through others, but it might very well be attacking you directly. Paul explained that he took all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ. We are checking the spirits, not the people!!!

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out in to the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. [1 Jn 4:1-3]

When you go into a Christian church (whichever church it maybe) and see that they are praising the Lord Jesus Christ and preaching about Him, then hear things that don't seem right, do you not realize that there maybe a spirit other than and in addition to the Lord opperating there. It is the evil spirits we are looking for and battling with. We have to seek the Spirit of God that confessing that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and to find out what is happening and what needs to be done on our part if any. We should not be looking to take what ever action we think is right, nor make judgements on our own reasoning, but rather turn to the Lord, test the spirits like we are told to do, and get a righteous judgement from the Lord God. You can not use the test above in 1 Jn 4: 1-3 if you are not listening with your spiritual ears. And you won't find the answers you need if you are not turning and seeking the Lord!

Is not the whole armor of God battle armor? Are we not to judge by testing the spirits to see if they are of God or not? Ephesians 6:12 tells us about the warfare.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Yet, when these spirits do war against us, one of the tools they use are humans. We are to be on watch for any attack from the enemy, noticing when he is attacking and recognizing how he is doing so, warning others so they will not be harmed. All through scripture someone had to judge the actions of another in order to warn people of such attacks, be it through a false teacher, false preacher, false prophet or even a false christ. Why are we told to be a watchman if we are not to watch? Only the vain will say to themselves that their army is so great that they can allow the enemy to wander their camps without worry or concern.

Yes, our first duty is to allow Christ to work in and through us to reach the lost. Yet, even Christ knew and warned about the evil one and his tactics.

When we are gathered together, it is to stir up love and good works, exhorting one another. Together we are His Body, working together as a whole. Yet, if the eye see that the foot is about to go into a hole, does it not warn the foot about it and the foot make adjustments? Or the ear, hearing a car approach, does it not warn the body and the head turns so the eye can see if danger is coming?

It is not our main focus to go on witch hunts as we live our lives, in fear that the devil is under every rock, hiding in every shadow or behind every tree, but we are not to avoid when the Spirit shows us that the enemy is near, but give warning.