Postal Service Seeks Permission to End Saturday Delivery

[~candice~]

Dave,

I am somewhat bemused. I thought I made it crystal clear that I wasn't speaking about your proposed bill. I am talking about existing socialised medicine.

It will kill because it will require rationing of care and what you term private level of Health Care will cease to exist.

I just dunno how to disagree with you more! LOL. We have socialised health care here, and there also exists higher level private health care (for want of better terminology). If your beef is that this won't exist under Obama's health care plan, then we are arguing different things.

And no, you aren't ignorant, you just fail to see things from my perspective .

Anyway, be blessed....

Andy

[MorningGlory]

Honestly folks,

That's a really poor example because currently FedEx is not set up to compete with the U.S. Postal Service for day to day Postal needs. However, if they were, I believe that you would be surprised at how poor a job the U.S. Postal Service actually does.

Peace,

Dave

No argument there but my point was that it is very expensive to send Fed Ex, UPS or DHL currently.

[jeffnevins]

Interesting news- thanks for the post.

[other one]

Actually,

The private mail services in the U.S. have prospered and flourished for years and still do despite the electronic age.

Take for example; FedEx.

Yes, Andy, Socialized Health Care will kill more people.

Peacce,

Dave

Call Fedex in the morning and ask them what it costs to have them deliver a first class legal sized envelope to LA and to New York City.

It's about $27.00 just from Houston to Dallas.

Honestly folks,

That's a really poor example because currently FedEx is not set up to compete with the U.S. Postal Service for day to day Postal needs. However, if they were, I believe that you would be surprised at how poor a job the U.S. Postal Service actually does.

Peace,

Dave

But you really have no way of measuring that Dave...... you're just repeating things.

I'm not trying to stend up for the post office, just the truth, and when it comes to politics no one......NO ONE is telling us the truth.

I know many many people within the post office system, we've worked with them in the document creating business and I have not seen the waste and mis management in any of our dealings with the post office. I know that they have a much smaller work force than they did five years ago. We work quite a bit at thier training center in Norman Oklahoma and they have drastically cut back there because of the lower revenew that they are creating. They are being inovative in their light weight pachaging promotions and they will still take an envelope anywhere in the USA for less than 50 cents and until last year they were doing it and still making money.

They are restructuring to keep their busines in the black just like any business would and all I see from most people is condemnation of their trying. Whose fault is it that we are switching to email and e-statements. Those things are also hurting my old company Xerox, for our equipment prints most of those statements....... that's why they asked me to retire early.

Actually I guess I am standing up for the post office, for they are the only part of the government that is trying to do what's best to keep their part of government sulf sustaining and not just print money.

Give them a break.

[other one]

By the Numbers

75 billionRevenue in 2008, in dollars

203 billionTotal mail volume processed in 2008, in pieces

667 millionAverage amount of mail processed each day

28 millionAverage amount of mail processed each hour

463,000Average amount of mail processed each minute

7,700Average amount of mail processed each second

46Percentage of the world

[Matthitjah]

Brother,

Over the Holiday's this past year. I had the ocassion to go to the local Post Office to mail some Holiday Gift Cards, etc......

I walked in and two out of four windows were open. The line was out the door and getting longer. I moved a few steps forward after a while and then the Lady in window number two closed the window and put out the, "Im going to Lunch," sign. Of course, she's entitled to go to lunch but ewhat I noticed next alarmed me. Now all the folks were in one enormous line and getting annxious. When the lady came out of the door to go to lunch the door swung open and everyone could see the other five employee's standing around discussiin g something. The door shut and they could be heard continuing their conversation andjoking around. It was about 15 minutes later when someone else finally came out to open up the window that the lady had exited for lunch.

Meanwhile, the rest of the folks carried on the conversation in the back that could be heard through the door and open windows.

If a business operated like that during Holiday hours they would not last very long. Of course some of them could have been appointed other duties but they weren't doing them either. They were congregating. That's the problem with Government workers. Their jobs are secure and there is no sense of urgency like there is in the private business world. There's no competition and no threat of one losing their job.

I was in there about 40 minutes and the other lady never came back and neither did another window ever open although Postal workers came in and out the back door into the public part of the office the whole time.

This was not a small Postal Office. It is one of those large Regional ones.

There are no economies of scale in labor nor are there good business practices such as sense of urgency being practiced.

Private Business always beats the Government hands down because there is always the accountability of generating a profit keeping them honest or else they disapeer.

Here's something to think about though.

The private film business has been surpassed by digital means. Should the Federal Government perpetually fund private film production?

Peace,

Dave

[nebula]

This thread has gone WAY off topic......

Eh, so what else is new?

[Rick-Parker]

Sister,

My only retort will be the now immortal words of Danny Williams Premiere of the Canadian Province of Newfoundland. When given the choice of Socialized Health Care or the Free Market, he said;

"This was my heart, my choice and my health,"

"I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics."

For an American this Health Care plan is like the dumbing down of our Public Education system. Simply because some kids just don't get the fact that two plus two equals four we'll make an allowance for kids who believe it equals five. Because some do not wish to have or do not have access to Health Care, which is a bold face lie here in America, we will destroy and dumb down the whole system.

Peace,

Dave

I don't think you are hearing me Dave. Did you read my large post?

You still have yet to demonstrate that your broad statement 'socialised health care will kill' has any merit whatsoever. This isn't about what is best, no one is arguing that which is best, but just that it doesn't kill.

I get my health care through the VA, where health care is rationed. I have had the experience of being denied treatment because the issue wasn't "advanced enough." I have also watched people being treated for leukemia, which I have, die because they were "too old" for the most advanced treatments; the same treatment which I have to wait for until my symptoms are more severe, when I am not even guaranteed the treatment. I'm not putting down the VA, I am just talking about the rationing of health care - socialized health care. Is that what we want for this country so that 20 million illegal aliens can have free health care without fear; so that people who make more than 85 thousand dollars a year to have free health care? Bring on the attacks.........

[~candice~]

I get my health care through the VA, where health care is rationed. I have had the experience of being denied treatment because the issue wasn't "advanced enough." I have also watched people being treated for leukemia, which I have, die because they were "too old" for the most advanced treatments; the same treatment which I have to wait for until my symptoms are more severe, when I am not even guaranteed the treatment. I'm not putting down the VA, I am just talking about the rationing of health care - socialized health care. Is that what we want for this country so that 20 million illegal aliens can have free health care without fear; so that people who make more than 85 thousand dollars a year to have free health care? Bring on the attacks.........

I'm really getting sick of saying this, but I'm going to have to say it again. I am not arguing for America to adopt Obama care. How hard is that to understand?

Now, that said... if health care is so expensive that you can't afford to purchase the treatment you require, then the access to socialised health care goes some way towards meeting your needs when you are otherwise unable. It isn't tasked with meeting all your needs or keeping you alive. Socialised health care in Australia appears to work a little different than the VA.

Very sorry to hear that you have leukemia . Must be quite frightening to have that and be faced with the potential of not receiving treatment. Prayers.

[JustinM]

Sister,

I read it allright, which is why I quoted Danny Williams. Should we get Socialized Health Care here. He will lose his freedom of choice and be at the hands of Doctors who are less capable and bureaucrat's of the likes of his own Nation's who base decisions on cost of federal Dollars rather than what's best for the patient. The quote speaks volumes. It leaves the American citizen in a vulnerable position of sub standard care. Sub standard care leads to more death.

Peace,

Dave

Substandard care is better than nothing, right? Patients who access socialised health care because they cannot afford private health care are receiving health care that they otherwise would not have received.

Socialised health care is not tasked with keeping everyone alive. It is not meant to be a replacement for the highest standard private health care.

I understand your desire to not have socialised health care in your country, but not your insistence that all socialised health care kills. I live in a country with semi-socialised health care, and have used it for procedures that I would not have afforded otherwise.

Last year I spent two weeks in hospital. Once to give birth (with complications) and without the free service, I would have been in enormous trouble. Another was a few weeks later to deal with a massive infection that was missed by my private doctor.

Go figure huh.

Why settle for sub-standard care, when Americans now enjoy high standards of care? Also, for the 70+% of the Americans that do not want national healthcare, why force it on them? There is no reason to change the entire healthcare system, for 300+ million people, when less than 10% of them do not have it. Which is why there is medicaid and medicare. Also, the Constitution enumerates the powers of the Federal Government and providing healthcare isn't enumerated. Should the federal government break its contract with the states, this can break up the union, but before that happens, it will bankrupt the union.

Also, socialized healthcare does kill people. For instance, in the UK, a child that is born before a certain date, isn't considered viable by the state, so it is left to die in its mother's arms:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...care-limit.html

Waiting lists for lifesaving surgery:

http://www.timescolonist.com/health/Life+s...5449/story.html

Sorry for hijacking the thread. Here are 2 examples of socialized healthcare in 2 countries where people cannot get lifesaving care, because of budget limitations. That problem doesn't exist with the current US healthcare system.

I think USPS should only work 5 days a week, the US military and Teachers do too. As well as other federal and state employees.