Polygamy?

[enoob57]

So far you haven't offer any sanction from scripture for a plurality of wives. Since your advocating it the burden of proof is on you.

I do have a sincere question though, "Does Jesus/God keep more than one Bride?"

Permit me one follow up if you will.

"Do we pattern our Faith after men or after God?"

Dave that is one fine argument!!! Love Steven

[MorningGlory]

It's not a seperate discussion at all. The topic is marriage.....period. Legal recognition for marriage is nowhere required in any of our laws. Legal recognition is purely a matter of choice, not a matter of morality. (CAPS for emphasis only, not yelling) Just because hireling pastors demand that it's immoral doesn't make it so in the eyes of God. The Lord never authorized hireling pastors to wrangle and wrest His written word to their own ends in any attempt to create moral crisis where it clearly doesn't exist.

This argument of yours has been made here before, about two years ago. I didn't understand the point of arguing on and on then that just saying 'we're married' and a couple is married and I don't understand it now. So....what IS the point? And what has it to do with the OP? As for that, polygamy is illegal in this country. That's fact and arguing about it won't change it.

[ayin jade]

Again, this all rubs against the grain of pet, socially engineered theologies that have painted a theological picture enjoying a long history of social acceptance.

Oh its been swell talking to you. I think there is no benefit in continuing any conversation with you. Bye now.

[enoob57]

The only aspect of that pattern to which Jesus referred was divorce. If we're going to set ourselves up as self-appointed authorities over which elements of that pattern are relevant for us today and which are not, then you may as well head down to your local mall with no clothes on if you wish to remain consistent with your subjective applications.

How far from the truth!

Matt 19:4-6

4 And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' 5 and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."

NKJV

It was about eternal unity bonded by the power of God Himself! I fear it is pride that is causing you to tramp through theological lines of great importance.... in your statement above you crossed one of the greatest gulfs Lk. 16:26 ever known by man! It is the gulf created by sin; when the pattern was made 1 man & 1 woman there was no sin yet in the world and then you strolled across the fall of creation as though it was nothing and applied nakedness to be in effect today. Sin brings confusion, but certainly you understand God's meaning here

Deut 6:15

15 (for the Lord your God is a jealous God among you), lest the anger of the Lord your God be aroused against you and destroy you from the face of the earth.

NKJV

When there are only 2 jealousy can not happen but when the third is come jealousy is now possible! This is the division from creation only two and after sin and the need for clothing and from the line of evil (Cain) multiple wives.... for everyone knows that which was saved in the flood all had only one wife, both Noah and His Son's.... Morality is simply understood would you like multiple husbands to one woman lets say maybe next Thursday if she so wants! Love Steven

[enoob57]

so far he hasn't sent me a pm. and if he did, i'd promptly hit the ignore button!

Loved one's the Lord has not called us just to love the easy ones! He has a good mind and would be an asset to the cause of Christ! Let us pray and strive to draw him into the love that God has taught us! Love Steven

[nebula]

Abraham had several wives,

Hi there -

Actually, that's not the way it happened.

Abraham had one wife - Sarah.

Then he obtained a concubine - Hagar - solely for the purpose of bearing a son .

And the fruit of that union was one big nasty painful mess!

After Sarah died, Abraham married Keturah.

So it is not correct to imply that Abraham was polygamous.

but through him they were all joined together into one, singular family unit.

And they were the best of enemies.

[MorningGlory]

so far he hasn't sent me a pm. and if he did, i'd promptly hit the ignore button!

Loved one's the Lord has not called us just to love the easy ones! He has a good mind and would be an asset to the cause of Christ! Let us pray and strive to draw him into the love that God has taught us! Love Steven

I agree, Steven; if we only cultivate the perfect ones we will have a great big crop of nothing!

[Guest]

One Woman For One Man And One Man For One Woman

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 1 Corinthians 7:2-4

You See The Two Become One Flesh

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Genesis 2:24

One Flesh

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matthew 19:5-6

You See (?)

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..... His answer was a blow to my smug assumption that such laws exist anywhere in the U. S. of A. He stated that no such laws exist. He further stated that anyone who publically states such laws exist, those who are NOT members of any legal BAR Association, are in violation of the law by presenting themselves as legal experts when they are not.

I then asked my pastor, from a theological standpoint, as to if there is any command in the word of God that a couple acquire legal recognition for their marriage considering that there's no law establishing such a demand. I showed him the letter from my attorney friend for his consideration and proof that no such law exists.....

Well As Intimidating As It May Seem, Not All Twisted Legal Quotes Are Legal

Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145 (1887), was a Supreme Court of the United States case that held that religious duty was not a suitable defence to a criminal indictment. George Reynolds was a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, charged with bigamy under the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act after marrying Amelia Jane Schofield while still married to Mary Ann Tuddenham in Utah Territory.

Before the Supreme Court, Reynolds argued that his conviction for bigamy should be overturned on four issues. These included that his grand jury had not been legal; that challenges of certain jurors were improperly overruled; that testimony by Amelia Jane Schofield was not permissible as it was under another indictment; and, most importantly, that it was his religious duty to marry multiple times.

Nor Are All Pastors Godly

Brigham Young stated "Now hear O' inhabitants of the earth, when our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body and brought Eve, one of his wives with him. He is our father and our God and the Only god with whom we have to do. (Journal of Discourses vol.1 p.50)

You See

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

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I Can Find Only One Bench Before Which All Husbands Must Kneel

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

And Only One Man To Whom All Must Answer

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Romans 14:11-12

And Either A Fellow Will Be Covered

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Romans 5:8-9

Or He Will Not

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

You See

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

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Be Blessed

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: John 11:25

Be Good

Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD. Proverbs 18:22

Love, Joe

[MorningGlory]

This argument of yours has been made here before, about two years ago. I didn't understand the point of arguing on and on then that just saying 'we're married' and a couple is married and I don't understand it now. So....what IS the point?

I don't know what went on two years ago, but right now, my point is that I agree with you. I agree that having more than one active marriage license at a time is indeed illegal.

I was referring to the statement below. Sorry I'm not getting what you're doing. The underlined is in NO WAY a response to what I wrote.

"It's not a seperate discussion at all. The topic is marriage.....period. Legal recognition for marriage is nowhere required in any of our laws. Legal recognition is purely a matter of choice, not a matter of morality. (CAPS for emphasis only, not yelling) Just because hireling pastors demand that it's immoral doesn't make it so in the eyes of God. The Lord never authorized hireling pastors to wrangle and wrest His written word to their own ends in any attempt to create moral crisis where it clearly doesn't exist."

And what has it to do with the OP? As for that, polygamy is illegal in this country. That's fact and arguing about it won't change it.

I don't understand why you won't take "yes" for an answer. I never said it was legal to have more than one active marriage license at a time. Can you quote me stating such anywhere in this thread? If not, then why are you arguing against something I never said? This is getting bizaar.

That was in answer to the OP.....a generalization, if you will. I can't see how it's 'bizzare'.

[Guest LadyC]

it was i who said you have an agenda, and i am not a "he".

and the answer is still the same, but you are too arrogant to even consider it, because you are too busy with your agenda, whatever it may be.

polygamy is defined as multiple marriages, as in marriages sanctioned by state. legal marriage. certified marriage. if for no other reason, it is a sin because God tells us unequivocally that we are to obey the laws of the land and respect our governing authorities. at least so long as those governing authorities aren't telling us we have to worship another god. to be a bigamist or polygamist, we are violating God's command to us.

what you are talking about is "uncertified" marriages... i.e. sexual relationships with multiple women, most or all of whom one is not legally (certifiably) married to. that's called polyamory. it's a whole different discussion. God tells us not to have sex outside of marriage. He also tells us not to commit adultery. so polyamory is covered under those two commands.

but that's not what you want to hear. you just want to argue and put people down while you sit on your tall pony and act all superior and very much the antithesis of a godly man. so other than to try to point out the obvious in hopes that maybe you'll actually hear the very logical and legally correct argument that i have just provided you with, i'm done conversing with you at all.

oh, and one more thing, you still made the accusation that people here were giving legal counsel and therefore pretending to be experts in law, and as such, were in violation of federal law.

you're full of it.

nobody here ever once gave legal counsel or represented themselves as a legal expert. but you sure like to act as though you are one.