Sabbath or Sunday ?

[Guest]

You Will Either Rest In God's Works

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Hebrews 11:1-2

Or You Won't

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Hebrews 11:6

And You Will Work Work Work

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

James 2:10

And You Will End Up

Of sin, because they believe not on me;

John 16:9

With Wages

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:23

So Trust

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 2:8-10

And Be Blessed Beloved

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

Jeremiah 15:16

Love, Your Brother Joe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

[HAZARD]

God's sabbath could not be the same as mans, for Adam was not created untill day six and had worked only one day, naming the animals (Gen. 1:24-31; 2:7, 19-25).

Wow, now there's a new approach . . .

So I guess God and Adam rested on separate days then?

Or . . . Adam didn't rest since there was no Sabbath for "for at least 2,513 years . . ."

No brownie points for mocking me mate? Your "guess" is as good as anyone elses? I dont hang my beliefs on a guess?

God never rested because He actually needed to rest. He rested because He had finished His work. And besides, Adam had not done seven days of work. Any sane reading of Scripture teaches that the sabbath was not a sign between God and Adam, it was a sign between God and Israel and God fortold that He would do away with sabbaths, and feast days because of her sins.

If it is written, or if God says;

"I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts." (Hosea 2:11).

This is what I believe. If this is a lie, then we best toss the Bible into the nearest rubbish bin, unless of course God tells lies?

"That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:" (Hebrews 6:18).

No, looks like God cannot lie.

[Guest]

.... If it is written, or if God says;

"I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts." (Hosea 2:11).

This is what I believe. If this is a lie, then we best toss the Bible into the nearest rubbish bin, unless of course God tells lies?

"That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:" (Hebrews 6:18).

No, looks like God cannot lie ....

Amen!

Fearful And Wonderful Scriptures Dear Brother

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 9:10

>>>>>()<<<<<

God Chastises

But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Hebrews 12:8

God Restores

For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

Jeremiah 30:17

Shortly

And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

Jeremiah 30:22-34

Blessed Be The Name Of The LORD

Maranatha!

[BlindSeeker]

God's sabbath could not be the same as mans, for Adam was not created untill day six and had worked only one day, naming the animals (Gen. 1:24-31; 2:7, 19-25).

Wow, now there's a new approach . . .

So I guess God and Adam rested on separate days then?

Or . . . Adam didn't rest since there was no Sabbath for "for at least 2,513 years . . ."

No brownie points for mocking me mate? Your "guess" is as good as anyone elses? I dont hang my beliefs on a guess?

[BlindSeeker]

Jesus Himself is our sabbath rest (there is no more sabbath DAY).

Why then is there a keeping of the Sabbath in the new heaven and new earth?

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Now if you had a verse like "I am the way, the truth, the life and your rest" then your assumption above might have more credibility. Yet the very chapter you quoted from states that "There remains a rest for the people of God" which means "A keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God."

Why do you think the chapter starts with "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it" if accepting Christ was the fulfillment thereof? Why the later admonition to "labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief?"

[OneLight]

Jesus Himself is our sabbath rest (there is no more sabbath DAY).

I also have to question this statement. Lets look at it in a different way. When Christ was asked why His disciples did not fast, He gave this response.

Matthew 9:14-15 (New King James Version)

Jesus Is Questioned About Fasting

Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying,

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

I have not read all of the posts in this thread, so please forgive me if this is a repeat . . .

Matthew 22:37-40 . . .

"Jesus said unto him,

'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,

and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it,

Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.'"

Sabbath or Sunday makes no difference.

We today live under TWO commandments in the New Testament of Grace.

1) Love God with your whole being

2) Love your neighbor as yourself

[BlindSeeker]

I have not read all of the posts in this thread, so please forgive me if this is a repeat . . .

No problem. Perhaps you should though sense, yes, it is a repeat and has been responded to .

Matthew 22:37-40 . . .

"Jesus said unto him,

'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,

and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it,

Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.'"

It always amazes me that when Jesus answered the question, "Master, which is the great commandment in the law?" that People think he answered another.

He was not asked, "What is the law?" or "What did all the prophets mean?" He answer as you noted, the showed the greatest commandment and the second great commandment like unto it. He did not say these are the only two commandments required of you.

Further more, to the Pharisees and the lawyer who asked the question above Jesus rebuke them saying "Hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

Yet people continually say as you do-

We today live under TWO commandments in the New Testament of Grace.

Jesus did not shake off all that which hangs on those two commandments. He simply clarified that fulfilling all that was morally required by the law and admonished under the prophet is fulfilled by faith which works by love.

Or as Paul stated-

Ga 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in

one word

, even in this; Thou shalt

love

thy neighbour as thyself.

1Ti 1:5 Now the end

[to which it points]

of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.

[Guest yod]

We today live under TWO commandments in the New Testament of Grace.

why do we presume that it was ever anything else but grace before then?

I've dropped in and out of this same thread topic quite a few times over the last 7 years and it's always the same...

There is an underlying suspicion whenever someone throws out a concept that isn't embraced by the larger "specifically christian religious organization separate from Israel" (aka "church") and I totally understand why that happens. It's an honest concern about things that aren't being addressed or taught in the church. This threatens the foundation to say that, yes, the Sabbath is being ignored by the church...but that doesn't make it any less true to say that the Sabbath has never been Sunday in the scriptures.

On the flip side, many have used the Sabbath commandment as a hammer against their brothers/sisters. My guess is because they find something they were never told before and get excited about it....then get hammered by the "church" on the matter.

Legalism is the act of exalting oneself (or one's demonation) over those who don't hold to the exact same creed we do. It happens on both sides of this issue, of course, but the Sabbath-observers have history on their side; so many times they won't accept it when everyone else doesn't change their lives to accomodate the historical facts they

I believe that those who wish to observe Shabbat should do without regard for what anyone else is doing. We do it because we want to and they don't because they don't have the same conviction about it. So what?

Are the Sabbath congregations and the Sunday churches alike not our brethren? It's clear that God's grace covers this either way.

[OneLight]

I have not read all of the posts in this thread, so please forgive me if this is a repeat . . .

Matthew 22:37-40 . . .

"Jesus said unto him,

'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,

and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it,

Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.'"

Sabbath or Sunday makes no difference.

We today live under TWO commandments in the New Testament of Grace.

1) Love God with your whole being

2) Love your neighbor as yourself

What do you think loving God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength means? To me, it is obeying Him to the fullest we can, not neglecting Him in any way.