Sabbath or Sunday ?

[Guest yod]

Hi Yod, you are wrong to say you know my motives and that discredits you in my eyes, i am fully convinced of my position as you are of yours.

I will leave it at that.

And we can leave it at that if you wish. I don't know why you "think" I am assuming your motives...I am not.

What I am sure of is how you came by these ideas and I've tested them. They were found wanting.

Again...I have never said how, when, or even if someone should observe the Sabbath.

But there is no doubt that the Sabbath is from evening on Friday until evening on Saturday.

An intellectually honest person should be able to discern that from the scriptures without any help from european theologians.

That's my last word if you want to end the discussion with me.

[BlindSeeker]

In reply to your other post Blindseeker, does this mean the prophecy that He would be in the grave 3 days mean only two ?

He was crucified on the six day and the Jews asked to have him in the tomb before the seventh day started at 6 pm as you correctly state.

So also it was not untill after 6 pm before the stone was rolled away, this being the first day making it true that Jesus spent a part of 3 seperate days in the grave.

Hi Yod, you are wrong to say you know my motives and that discredits you in my eyes, i am fully convinced of my position as you are of yours.

I will leave it at that.

Jesus was in fact 3 nights and 3 days in the tomb, but He caused the sacrifices and oblations to cease as a requirement of God when He was sacrificed/crucified "in the midst of the week" on Wednesday.

If you really want my scriptural position on the subject, I present it using all the gospels' accounts of the Jesus resurrection and the confusion it generated in my thread here called Trips to the Tomb.

If you take the time to read it I think most of your questions will be answered.

[JCISGD]

The LORDs Day is the day he rose from the grave and this is the first day of the week and cannot be both the seventh and the first. Did God rest on the seventh day or not?

Jesus rose on the Sabbath at dusk as the sun was setting and the new day was dawning (beginning - night first than day)

Mt 28:1

In the end of the sabbath

, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening

[1st]

and the morning

[2nd]

were the first day.

The Lord's day, the resurrection day and the Sabbath are all the same day.

Mt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mr 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Blindseeker, i just noticed in a post above it appears that you thought i was calling you uncharitable? to be clear i was meaning if I continued to do that which unescessarily aggrivated you, I would consider myself uncharitable.

You have stated that Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, but here are you saying he was crucified on Friday and rose on Saturday? please explain for me.

Lu 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

[BlindSeeker]

Blindseeker, i just noticed in a post above it appears that you thought i was calling you uncharitable? to be clear i was meaning if I continued to do that which unescessarily aggrivated you, I would consider myself uncharitable.

You have stated that Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, but here are you saying he was crucified on Friday and rose on Saturday? please explain for me.

Lu 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

JCISGD,

In the post above yours, #533, I partially explained this and provided you a link to a thread where I address the the duration in the tomb and the time of the resurrection.

Here is the Link.

[JCISGD]

Blindseeker, i just noticed in a post above it appears that you thought i was calling you uncharitable? to be clear i was meaning if I continued to do that which unescessarily aggrivated you, I would consider myself uncharitable.

You have stated that Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, but here are you saying he was crucified on Friday and rose on Saturday? please explain for me.

Lu 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

JCISGD,

In the post above yours, #533, I partially explained this and provided you a link to a thread where I address the the duration in the tomb and the time of the resurrection.

Here is the Link.

Sorry i did skim read it but missed the claim that the passover was wednesday?

How is this scriptural when we know the Jews asked to have the legs broken so as they were not dealing with bodies on the Sabbath. Jn:19:31

I am not asking with a closed mind but your link does not give satisfactory explaination to my mind. Mark 16:9 says Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, so reguardless of end periods of Sabbaths and who exactly went to the tomb and at what times, i can only see that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose on sunday.

We need not take it as a literal 3 full days, and prophecies can be mistaken in their intent or literal implications.

[traveller]

Weren't there two Sabbaths that week? One a High Sabbath?

[Guest yod]

Not only is the Pesach (Passover) a "Sabbath" no matter what day it falls on, there is are also discrepancies between the way the Essenes counted days to the Passover vs how the Pharisees did.

In other words, there were 2 different renderings of when Pesach was to be observed. This is important because the Last Supper could be the actual eve of Pesach's beginning (according to God's calendar) and Yeshua crucified before it's over, while at the same time the Pharisees could have chosen observance on the following evening.

[BlindSeeker]

Sorry i did skim read it but missed the claim that the passover was wednesday?

How is this scriptural when we know the Jews asked to have the legs broken so as they were not dealing with bodies on the Sabbath. Jn:19:31

I am not asking with a closed mind but your link does not give satisfactory explaination to my mind. Mark 16:9 says Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, so reguardless of end periods of Sabbaths and who exactly went to the tomb and at what times, i can only see that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose on sunday.

We need not take it as a literal 3 full days, and prophecies can be mistaken in their intent or literal implications.

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (

for that sabbath day was an high day

,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

That was a high Sabbath, not the weekly Sabbath.

Mr 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

That is one of the problems with the the English translations . . . we have commas, the Greek didn't.

We know from Matt. 28:1 when Jesus rose, "in the end of the Sabbath." Therefore "when Jesus was risen, early the first day of the week He appeared first to Mary Magdalene."

The position of the comma can change the meaning.

There were 14 original Greek words translated using 26 English words.

Mr 16:9 Now

<de>

when Jesus was risen

<anistemi>

early

<proi>

the first

<protos>

day

of the week

<sabbaton>

He appeared

<phaino>

first

<proton>

to Mary Maria

<Maria>

Magdalene,

<Magdalene>

out of

<apo>

whom

<hos>

He had cast

<ekballo>

seven

<hepta>

devils

<daimonion>

A more literal word for word translation would simply be-

<de> Now <anistemi> risen <proi> in the morning <protos> first <sabbaton> Sabbath <phaino> appeared <proton> first to <Maria> Mary <Magdalene> Magdalene <apo> out of <hos> whom <ekballo> were cast <hepta> seven <daimonion> devils.

Perhaps a slower reading of my thread would still be worth you while . . . unless it is just too much.

[JCISGD]

You know what, you all can believe all that but i rather trust that handed down by holy men used mightily of God, the Holy Spirit bearing witness of the truth, rather than the wisdom of men.

"He who wins souls is wise" are you winning any souls ? if not maybe it would be better to humble yourself and be discipled.

[BlindSeeker]

You know what, you all can believe all that but i rather trust that handed down by holy men used mightily of God, the Holy Spirit bearing witness of the truth, rather than the wisdom of men.

"He who wins souls is wise" are you winning any souls ? if not maybe it would be better to humble yourself and be discipled.

Now JCISGD, I think you need to explain yourself here a little.

Your accusations here are not as subtle as you may think.

So you believe you are trusting