In "our" image

[Joshua-777]

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness, so they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move on the earth."

Who is the "our" God speaks of here? The angels in heaven?

God said "Our image" I believe that this verse refers to the Father, Son, and Spirit.

[Openly Curious]

'shiloh357' timestamp='1280329679' post='1584950

The angels are not the "our" spoken of in Genesis 1:26 but instead it is speaking of the Trinity being Father, Son and Holy Spirit and just as the Trinity is a three part being we also are a three part being. The three parts of our being is our Spirit, Soul and Body (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

Not exactly. The Trinity is not a "three-part being." God is ONE being, but three persons. He is not three parts.

First of all Shiloh, I agree with you that there is one God in three persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. That means God has three parts that make up his being. The comparison I was making to mankind only involved humans beings three part beings. I realize that was different than being three persons. It is possible to say God who is three persons has three parts, but it is not possible to say that man who is made up of three parts is three persons. The only "camparison" I was making is that God and man are made up of three parts.

Furthermore, we have nothing in this earth that serves as a point of reference to this and that is why it is, a mystery. Man is trichotomy, not a trinity[/quote.]

You are correct that there is know exact comparison to be made, but the "comparison" was "only" of being a three part being, "not of being three persons in one being"

Our spirit, soul and body are not three separate persons. They are three parts that comprise a single person and single being.

In my post I never said, nor did I imply that mankind was created as three seperate persons if so please show me. You are reading more into what I said than what I meant.

[Hawkins]

Who is the "our" God speaks of here? The angels in heaven?

His Trinity, that is, God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Prophets and those very close to God, such as David will notice that. That's why David ever said "the Lord of my Lord". And it's not surprised that Moses wrote it that way.

[BlindSeeker]

Here is a link to the Aramaic Targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziel on the Pentateuch which was the the Hebrew written into Aramaic for the Jews returning from their Babylonian captivity who didn't speak Hebrew anymore. This was actually the first translation of the original text into another language and therefore would have been affected by the popular teaching and understanding of the texts by the aged learned.

I read the link, but I disagree. The "we" couldn't have been angels for they have no power to create anything. The "WE" must have been the godhead.

True.

It's the same "we" (The Trinity) that said "Come let us go down and confuse their language" in Genesis 11:7.

Could you please share what the Hebrew word is that was translated "us" so I can further research it?

Actually . . . if some one can actually provide the Hebrew words translated "us" and "our" in Gen 1:26 that would be helpful too.

[BlindSeeker]

In case my last post slipped by . . . .

Here is a link to the Aramaic Targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziel on the Pentateuch which was the the Hebrew written into Aramaic for the Jews returning from their Babylonian captivity who didn't speak Hebrew anymore. This was actually the first translation of the original text into another language and therefore would have been affected by the popular teaching and understanding of the texts by the aged learned.

I read the link, but I disagree. The "we" couldn't have been angels for they have no power to create anything. The "WE" must have been the godhead.

True.

It's the same "we" (The Trinity) that said "Come let us go down and confuse their language" in Genesis 11:7.

Could you please share what the Hebrew word is that was translated "us" so I can further research it?

Actually . . . if some one can actually provide the Hebrew words translated "us" and "our" in Gen 1:26 that would be helpful too.

[kuhugaboots]

well I think the basic, bottom line, answer is that

we are mind, spirit and body. Just like he is.. here is my reasoning.

so I think there a lot of parallels and analogies that can be learned or drawn for his concepts there.. that can make it all still be his truth. because his word is alive and always truthing in the now.

so here is one idea..

See how we must maintain at least two of our parts in the same place to "exsist" in this dimension.

In like the way our spirit and body can be in a comma but our mind can be dead as a door nail .. but we can still exist here.

or

millions walk around with a body and a mind but no spirit, because he says it is dead.

so is that why Jesus had to return to the father after his death in order for the spirit to come here? two elements of his being must exist in the same place or everything would stop maybe?but I don't know what would happen! I just suspect we all would die maybe. who is there to hold it all together right?

well this is what I suspect he means by' in his image'.. or in his likeness. is what I suspect anyway.

so maybe He is drawing a parallel for us to understand how he is one and parts in the same way we are one but in parts or functions..

Edited August 4, 2010 by kuhugaboots

[kuhugaboots]

In case my last post slipped by . . . .

Here is a link to the Aramaic Targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziel on the Pentateuch which was the the Hebrew written into Aramaic for the Jews returning from their Babylonian captivity who didn't speak Hebrew anymore. This was actually the first translation of the original text into another language and therefore would have been affected by the popular teaching and understanding of the texts by the aged learned.

I read the link, but I disagree. The "we" couldn't have been angels for they have no power to create anything. The "WE" must have been the godhead.

True.

It's the same "we" (The Trinity) that said "Come let us go down and confuse their language" in Genesis 11:7.

Could you please share what the Hebrew word is that was translated "us" so I can further research it?

Actually . . . if some one can actually provide the Hebrew words translated "us" and "our" in Gen 1:26 that would be helpful too.

yes break down Psa 110:1 it is Jehovah says to Adon.. but this word is it is written as Adon-ai also and that is plural form of Adon

[BlindSeeker]

In case my last post slipped by . . . .

Here is a link to the Aramaic Targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziel on the Pentateuch which was the the Hebrew written into Aramaic for the Jews returning from their Babylonian captivity who didn't speak Hebrew anymore. This was actually the first translation of the original text into another language and therefore would have been affected by the popular teaching and understanding of the texts by the aged learned.

I read the link, but I disagree. The "we" couldn't have been angels for they have no power to create anything. The "WE" must have been the godhead.

True.

It's the same "we" (The Trinity) that said "Come let us go down and confuse their language" in Genesis 11:7.

Could you please share what the Hebrew word is that was translated "us" so I can further research it?

Actually . . . if some one can actually provide the Hebrew words translated "us" and "our" in Gen 1:26 that would be helpful too.

yes break down Psa 110:1 it is Jehovah says to Adon.. but this word is it is written as Adon-ai also and that is plural form of Adon

Why are you directing me to Psalms when my question is about Hebrew words in Genesis I am not asking about Psalms at all.

It is the Hebrew words and sentence structure only in the verses in question, show me the Hebrew words translated "us" and "our" in Gen 1:26 and 11:7.

If the word your submitting isn't used in those verses, it is irrelevant to the request. Please show the placement of the Hebrew word in the verses as well similarly to the example -

Ge 1:26 And God

<'elohiym>

said,

<'amar>

Let us make

<`asah>

man

<'adam>

in our image,

<tselem>

after our likeness:

<damuwth>

and let them have dominion

<radah>

over the fish

<dagah>

of the sea, My

<yam>

and over the fowl

<`owph>

of the air,

<shamayim>

and over the cattle,

<bahemah>

and over all the earth,

<'erets>

and over every creeping thing

<remes>

that creepeth

<ramas>

upon the earth.

<'erets>

Please point out the words translated from the Hebrew "us" and "our" . . . .

[Guest shiloh357]

In case my last post slipped by . . . .

Here is a link to the Aramaic Targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziel on the Pentateuch which was the the Hebrew written into Aramaic for the Jews returning from their Babylonian captivity who didn't speak Hebrew anymore. This was actually the first translation of the original text into another language and therefore would have been affected by the popular teaching and understanding of the texts by the aged learned.

I read the link, but I disagree. The "we" couldn't have been angels for they have no power to create anything. The "WE" must have been the godhead.

True.

It's the same "we" (The Trinity) that said "Come let us go down and confuse their language" in Genesis 11:7.

Could you please share what the Hebrew word is that was translated "us" so I can further research it?

Actually . . . if some one can actually provide the Hebrew words translated "us" and "our" in Gen 1:26 that would be helpful too.

yes break down Psa 110:1 it is Jehovah says to Adon.. but this word is it is written as Adon-ai also and that is plural form of Adon

Why are you directing me to Psalms when my question is about Hebrew words in Genesis I am not asking about Psalms at all.

It is the Hebrew words and sentence structure only in the verses in question, show me the Hebrew words translated "us" and "our" in Gen 1:26 and 11:7.

If the word your submitting isn't used in those verses, it is irrelevant to the request. Please show the placement of the Hebrew word in the verses as well similarly to the example -

Ge 1:26 And God

<'elohiym>

said,

<'amar>

Let us make

<`asah>

man

<'adam>

in our image,

<tselem>

after our likeness:

<damuwth>

and let them have dominion

<radah>

over the fish

<dagah>

of the sea, My

<yam>

and over the fowl

<`owph>

of the air,

<shamayim>

and over the cattle,

<bahemah>

and over all the earth,

<'erets>

and over every creeping thing

<remes>

that creepeth

<ramas>

upon the earth.

<'erets>

Please point out the words translated from the Hebrew "us" and "our" . . . .

Not a prbblem. H6754 BTzelemnu" (our image) and H1823 "Ki Dmoteinu" (our likeness). Both words are personal, plural pronouns.

[BlindSeeker]

It is the Hebrew words and sentence structure only in the verses in question, show me the Hebrew words translated "us" and "our" in Gen 1:26 and 11:7.

If the word your submitting isn't used in those verses, it is irrelevant to the request. Please show the placement of the Hebrew word in the verses as well similarly to the example -

Ge 1:26 And God

<'elohiym>

said,

<'amar>

Let us make

<`asah>

man

<'adam>

in our image,

<tselem>

after our likeness:

<damuwth>

and let them have dominion

<radah>

over the fish

<dagah>

of the sea, My

<yam>

and over the fowl

<`owph>

of the air,

<shamayim>

and over the cattle,

<bahemah>

and over all the earth,

<'erets>

and over every creeping thing

<remes>

that creepeth

<ramas>

upon the earth.

<'erets>

Please point out the words translated from the Hebrew "us" and "our" . . . .

Not a prbblem. H6754 “B’Tzelemnu" (our image) and H1823 "Ki D’moteinu" (our likeness). Both words are personal, plural pronouns.

Thanks Shiloh, I've been waiting for your reply.

Perhaps you can provide a link for everyone where we can see the Hebrew words you are presenting and sentence structure.

Just to take the weight of evidence of your own say so.

Just one more question, have these words ever been used in a singular context? Similar to where it is used in Genesis 5:3 showing how Adam had Seth in his own "image?"

Again, thanks.