Christians and Guns?

[Daniel Marsh]

Exodus 22:2
Christian Standard Bible
2 If a thief is caught in the act of breaking in, and he is beaten to death, no one is guilty of bloodshed.

Matthew 24:43 
New International Version
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

 

[SavedOnebyGrace]

On 7/14/2023 at 3:52 PM, Alive said:

I have owned guns since a child. I have often tried to place myself in a (mentally) in a position where when carrying would shoot a person to protect myself. Not sure what I could do. Its another matter to protect someone else. I am thankful, the Lord has not put me in that position.

My wife and I have experienced three attempted home invasions. The last one, the would be invaders hid on my property. (They tried to kick in my front door, leaving footprints on my door.) I had a Glock .40 caliber in hand as I hit the front door looking for the perps. I searched around our cars and bushes. My wife stayed at the front door with her Walther in hand. I found the first would be invader trying to get under my car. He didn't fit. I had him lay on the wet ground looking up at my gun pointing at his head. He appeared to be unarmed, so I felt God wanted me to let him go. So I let him go firing my gun safely behind him to run faster. I did the same with the second would be invader firing my gun behind him as he ran up the street. We then called the police who didn't come out since the incident was resolved and no one was hurt.

Edited August 11, 2023 by SavedOnebyGrace

[other one]

You can't do that here in Oklahoma.   When they start to run away you shouldn't shoot at them even to scare them.  Brandishing a weapon without using it for protection is against the law.

If you pull a weapon here, you need to use it....   but if you shoot an unarmed person God might get you if the DA doesn't.

[teddyv]

On 7/14/2023 at 12:27 PM, other one said:

If you understand the customs of that time, he's speaking of insulting someone, not threatening to kill them.   If someone insults you as was custom by smiting them on the cheek, turn the other cheek and let it go.  He's not talking about someone trying to harm or kill you.

Plus, most people who are shot don't die.

Close, but it is referring to the Roman army custom that Roman soldiers were permitted to strike a person once, but not twice. Likewise, a Roman solder could force a person to carry his gear for a mile (or stadia) but no further

[other one]

41 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Close, but it is referring to the Roman army custom that Roman soldiers were permitted to strike a person once, but not twice. Likewise, a Roman solder could force a person to carry his gear for a mile (or stadia) but no further

That is the custom of the Roman solder, however I really don't see it speaking of them in the context of the whole chapter.

[teddyv]

20 minutes ago, other one said:

That is the custom of the Roman solder, however I really don't see it speaking of them in the context of the whole chapter.

Of course there is the application of the principal, but the allusion is directly that of the treatment of the Roman soldiers to the subjugated people. The Romans were among the most hated people of the day, so the point of turning the cheek, or walking the extra mile is reinforced in how his followers were to treat one another. Common for Jesus to use such narrative choice, also seen in the parable of the good Samaritan.

[SavedOnebyGrace]

On 8/11/2023 at 8:29 PM, other one said:

You can't do that here in Oklahoma.   When they start to run away you shouldn't shoot at them even to scare them.  Brandishing a weapon without using it for protection is against the law.

If you pull a weapon here, you need to use it....   but if you shoot an unarmed person God might get you if the DA doesn't.

Actually, the police in my area recommended the exact course of action I took when I reported the second home invasion attempt. Obviously my state/county is more enlightened.

Edited August 14, 2023 by SavedOnebyGrace

[HAZARD]

[Daniel Marsh]

22 hours ago, teddyv said:

Of course there is the application of the principal, but the allusion is directly that of the treatment of the Roman soldiers to the subjugated people. The Romans were among the most hated people of the day, so the point of turning the cheek, or walking the extra mile is reinforced in how his followers were to treat one another. Common for Jesus to use such narrative choice, also seen in the parable of the good Samaritan.

Matthew 5:41
New International Version
41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.

[farouk]

On 8/13/2023 at 8:26 PM, believeinHim said:

I accidentally sprayed pepper spray on my hands, not realizing it was open cause I opened it while I was walking to have it ready. I have since gotten one that has a different way to open it, you slide your thumb underneath and it is ready to go.

Honestly, the psychological impact of knowing I sprayed pepper spray on myself might have been a little bit worse than the actual feel of the pepper spray on my hands. I can't really describe the way it felt, as I don't really remember, meaning it wasn't significant enough physical pain, rather than psychological, for me to be able to remember what the physical was like. If it had been my eyes, I would have most likely been on the floor.

The psychological impact of accidentally spraying pepper spray on my skin was worse than the actual pepper spray on my skin. If you do get pepper spray on your skin, I have googled to use dawn dish soap and use it for awhile, don't remember how long.

They psychological impact it had on me that I just accidentally sprayed pepper spray on my hands, was worse than the physical feeling. I still don't have much of a recollection of what it felt like on my skin. I remember kind of maybe like a dull pepper feeling, maybe, maybe a bit intense, like I rubbed out of date peppers on my skin. It wasn't unbearable enough for me to remember the feeling, rather than the thought of it.

As for a gun, I want to mount a shot gun on the wall above the tv in the main part of the house, but not necessarily load it, or even buy bullets. I would like to go to a shooting range, but I am scared I will be as klutzy with the gun, as I was with the spray,................ 

@believeinHim I guess with these things it's the element of surprise that one remembers, whether with spray or guns......