Fulness of the gentiles.

[wyguy]

Hmmmmm, so "Fulness of the Gentiles" doesn't mean "Fat Europeans?"

[lekh l'kha]

Hmmmmm, so "Fulness of the Gentiles" doesn't mean "Fat Europeans?"

[Joshua-777]

Hmmmmm, so "Fulness of the Gentiles" doesn't mean "Fat Europeans?"

We better keep an eye on the fast food chains!

[Jedi4Yahweh]

The Israel that came out of Egypt was not all blood Israel but a mixed mulitude so your correct that it doesn't matter those who come to Him calling out to His name and believe are all Israel.

So what you're saying is that being Israel has more to do with their faith then their genetics. I think this is what lekh l'kha was saying as well. Obviously if some of those called out of Egypt decided not to follow Moses then they where not apart of Israel because they had no faith. Lines right up with what Paul says :

Rom 9:25-27 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'" (26) "And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.'" (27) And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved

[mizzdy]

The Israel that came out of Egypt was not all blood Israel but a mixed mulitude so your correct that it doesn't matter those who come to Him calling out to His name and believe are all Israel.

So what you're saying is that being Israel has more to do with their faith then their genetics. I think this is what lekh l'kha was saying as well. Obviously if some of those called out of Egypt decided not to follow Moses then they where not apart of Israel because they had no faith. Lines right up with what Paul says :

Rom 9:25-27 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'" (26) "And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.'" (27) And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved

If you remember there were only two that came out of Egypt that went into the promised land, one a natural born Israelite and one that was 'grafted in'. Caleb remember was a Kenizite and that is a descendant of Esua so that just goes to tell you it doesn't matter who where your ancestory lies, all who believe and call out to Him, heed His ways are His children.

[Joshua-777]

The Israel that came out of Egypt was not all blood Israel but a mixed mulitude so your correct that it doesn't matter those who come to Him calling out to His name and believe are all Israel.

So what you're saying is that being Israel has more to do with their faith then their genetics. I think this is what lekh l'kha was saying as well. Obviously if some of those called out of Egypt decided not to follow Moses then they where not apart of Israel because they had no faith. Lines right up with what Paul says :

Rom 9:25-27 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'" (26) "And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.'" (27) And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved

If you remember there were only two that came out of Egypt that went into the promised land, one a natural born Israelite and one that was 'grafted in'. Caleb remember was a Kenizite and that is a descendant of Esua so that just goes to tell you it doesn't matter who where your ancestory lies, all who believe and call out to Him, heed His ways are His children.

By faith, it's always been about the heart.

[Littlelambseativy]

I have learned a great deal from Jack Kelly as a Bible teacher and he has explained this in a question posed to him.

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Our Ultimate Purpose

Thanks for your great illustration regarding

[Bold Believer]

I do think its when all who will return to Him from those scattered into the nations, thats when it will be complete. Yeshua came for the 'lost sheep' of Israel, they weren't really lost but God gave them over to the nations, scattered until the time of restoration is complete. Israel is all who believe, who return to Him, no matter genetics or what have you just as in the exodus of Egypt all who walk in faith belong to Him. The fulness would be the completion of all who 'keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Yeshua the Messiah' and it brings the end of the age into the olam haba, the world to come or the Millennial reign of the Messiah. Ephraim the younger son was given the birthrite of the older son to become a greater people than his brother and we see that Ephraim was the largest of the tribes of the Northern Kingdom and in many instance we see Ephraim being called Israel or that the tribe represented Israel to the populous.

interesting..does olam haba=the resurrection?

The Olam Ha Ba is the Messianic era, literally translated: 'the world to come'. Since the resurrection occurs on the Last Day, the world to come doesn't include the resurrection. There is nothing after the Resurrection but the eternal state, the New Heaven and New Earth come into being on the Last Day as well. (Rev 21)

The fulness of the Gentiles is the greatest number in the Gentile harvest. The fulness of the Gentiles may (please note: may) have come after World War 2 when Israel was formed out of the land set down by the Balfour Declaration. Things shifted toward the Semitic peoples in general (Jews and Arabs)

[Rick-Parker]

I find that hard to believe (I know you said may) since there as thousands of gentiles coming to the Lord every day.

[Littlelambseativy]

I apologize I blundered my last post about Jack Kelly's answer to the 'Fullness of the Gentiles' here is his answer that I intended to put in.

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According to my research the phrase