Is America the Great Babylon?

[nebula]

In speaking of Babylon the Great -

I still am not hearing anyone give a reasonable explanation for what "Mother of Harlots" means and how that fits with any interpretations.

[BlindSeeker]

In speaking of Babylon the Great -

I still am not hearing anyone give a reasonable explanation for what "Mother of Harlots" means and how that fits with any interpretations.

Rev 13-19, there are 4 divisions mentioned.

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Here are the 4 divisions,

THE WOMAN

- I believe she represents the false religious systems that have been here since the Nimrod and the tower of Babel. It is demonic in origin, but often comes as an angel of light to try and deceive to who would be seeking truth and righteousness.

Note, in Rev 13:1 that the beast rising out of the sea does not have the women riding it. This unholy union of the beast and the union happens prior to their destruction, and because of their union, they are thereafter referred to as the same. Not unlike "and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

THE BEAST THAT CARRIETH HER

- This is actually the final manifestation of the beast that has existed since the birth of the Nation of Israel. It is linked to Israel, for as Israel was, and then was not because Rome destroyed it, yet Israel is. The same is said therefore of the beast. "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

THE SEVEN HEADS

- Are the historical progression of nations which have had a direct influence and effect upon the Israelites. The angel said 5 were fallen, many in Israel's then past.

They are:

• 1. Egypt
  
  
  2. Assyria
  
  
  3. Babylon
  
  
  4. Medes/Persia
  
  
  5. Greece
  
  

Daniel mentions the last three in his visions, including the next, which is Rome. Therefore Rome is head #6. Daniel is silent about Egypt and Assyria two because they were already history - before the of his time of ministry.

The 7th empire would have to of been those in possession of the land when the Israelites began to migrate back to their land after World War 2. That would have been the British Empire. Therefore the 7th is England.

However, the mentioning of the SEVEN HEADS are just to give us " the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is [Rome], and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he [England] must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of [from] the seven, and goeth into perdition."

It is the 8th beast that "goeth into perdition" that Rev. 13-19 is mainly dealing with.

THE TEN HORNS

- Represents the unification of Europe, the old Roman Empire.

It won't be long and we will be negotiating a new monetary system with the EU in an attempt to stay of China's economic dominion. That is when the "ten horns . . . receive power as kings one hour with the beast" and "have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast."

But that will last for a short season before judgment comes . . . since it is they who "shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

Though like Habakkuk and Paul said, I don't expect too people to believe it.

Hab 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.

Ac 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

[OneLight]

The 7th empire would have to of been those in possession of the land when the Israelites began to migrate back to their land after World War 2. That would have been the British Empire. Therefore the 7th is England.

However, the mentioning of the SEVEN HEADS are just to give us " the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is [Rome], and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he [England] must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of [from] the seven, and goeth into perdition."

It is the 8th beast that "goeth into perdition" that Rev. 13-19 is mainly dealing with

I got this far before I had to ask, if the 7th is England, and the 8th comes out of England, is this not the US? Who else has come out of England? I am not sold on this idea, but only ask for clarification.

[~candice~]

The 7th empire would have to of been those in possession of the land when the Israelites began to migrate back to their land after World War 2. That would have been the British Empire. Therefore the 7th is England.

However, the mentioning of the SEVEN HEADS are just to give us " the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is [Rome], and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he [England] must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of [from] the seven, and goeth into perdition."

It is the 8th beast that "goeth into perdition" that Rev. 13-19 is mainly dealing with

I got this far before I had to ask, if the 7th is England, and the 8th comes out of England, is this not the US? Who else has come out of England? I am not sold on this idea, but only ask for clarification.

Convicts! Aussies came from England too...

[Fez]

The 7th empire would have to of been those in possession of the land when the Israelites began to migrate back to their land after World War 2. That would have been the British Empire. Therefore the 7th is England.

However, the mentioning of the SEVEN HEADS are just to give us " the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is [Rome], and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he [England] must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of [from] the seven, and goeth into perdition."

It is the 8th beast that "goeth into perdition" that Rev. 13-19 is mainly dealing with

I got this far before I had to ask, if the 7th is England, and the 8th comes out of England, is this not the US? Who else has come out of England? I am not sold on this idea, but only ask for clarification.

Convicts! Aussies came from England too...

The sun never sets on the British Empire - an old quote (it has set by now)

But South Africa was colonised, so was India, Egypt, Palestine, (hmmmm.....), Zimbabwe, and a host of smaller places.

Matter of interest, the word Posh comes from Englands colonisation of India. The cabins booked on the ships going to India were booked by the wealthy as "Port out, starboard home" (Posh cabins), so that the morning sun did not disturb their sleep in the cabin!

Not on topic, but interesting anyway.

[Guest]

....We are never coming out of debt, and God has ceased his blessings and turned us into slaves and a people that are hated among the nations. It only gets worse from here....

Yes!

Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Mark 8:37

Well

These things I command you, that ye love one another.

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. John 15:17-20

Said

And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

But there shall not an hair of your head perish. Luke 21:16-18

Jesus Is LORD

I will love thee, O LORD, my strength.

The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.

The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.

The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears. Psalms 18:1-6

Amen!

Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him. Job 13:15

Amen!

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 2 Corinthians 5:8

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Celebrate!

I will sing of the mercies of the LORD for ever: with my mouth will I make known thy faithfulness to all generations. Psalms 89:1

And Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[OneLight]

The 7th empire would have to of been those in possession of the land when the Israelites began to migrate back to their land after World War 2. That would have been the British Empire. Therefore the 7th is England.

However, the mentioning of the SEVEN HEADS are just to give us " the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is [Rome], and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he [England] must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of [from] the seven, and goeth into perdition."

It is the 8th beast that "goeth into perdition" that Rev. 13-19 is mainly dealing with

I got this far before I had to ask, if the 7th is England, and the 8th comes out of England, is this not the US? Who else has come out of England? I am not sold on this idea, but only ask for clarification.

Convicts! Aussies came from England too...

I stand corrected, thank you! So, who is it that comes out of the 7th then?

[lekh l'kha]

In speaking of Babylon the Great -

I still am not hearing anyone give a reasonable explanation for what "Mother of Harlots" means and how that fits with any interpretations.

THE WOMAN - I believe she represents the false religious systems that have been here since the Nimrod and the tower of Babel. It is demonic in origin, but often comes as an angel of light to try and deceive to who would be seeking truth and righteousness.

Note, in Rev 13:1 that the beast rising out of the sea does not have the women riding it. This unholy union of the beast and the union happens prior to their destruction, and because of their union, they are thereafter referred to as the same. Not unlike "and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

THE BEAST THAT CARRIETH HER - This is actually the final manifestation of the beast that has existed since the birth of the Nation of Israel. It is linked to Israel, for as Israel was, and then was not because Rome destroyed it, yet Israel is. The same is said therefore of the beast. "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

THE SEVEN HEADS - Are the historical progression of nations which have had a direct influence and effect upon the Israelites. The angel said 5 were fallen, many in Israel's then past.

They are:

• 1. Egypt
  2. Assyria
  3. Babylon
  4. Medes/Persia
  5. Greece
  

Daniel mentions the last three in his visions, including the next, which is Rome. Therefore Rome is head #6. Daniel is silent about Egypt and Assyria two because they were already history - before the of his time of ministry.

Agreed (up to that point). I don't know the identity of the 7th and 8th kingdoms. Could also be the Ottoman-Turk Empire and a "resurrected" Ottoman-Turk Empire, which covered the same territories of empires 3, 4 and 5 above and is Islamic, although the Ottoman-Turk Empire continued for a long time and not a short time.

But "the woman" (Gen.3:15, Rev.12: 1) in Hebrew is "ishah" and in ancient Chaldean (Babylonian) "the woman" is ishtar. Ishtar was also worshipped as the great Babylonian mother-goddess, and she is indeed the mother of harlots and of the (religious) abominations of the earth.

The contents of the cup we drink represents the only Way to God. The contents of the cup in the hand of Babylon the Great is "full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication" (17:4). She is also "a prison of every unclean spirit, and a cage of every unclean bird which has been hated" (18:2). We have to remember that the Revelation is a very ancient book, and the symbolism comes from way back - even further back than 2,000 years ago when the Revelation was written.

Babylon the great was in a marriage with the political authorities of the world, "carried by the beast". Not a mono-theocracy but a poly-theocracy. The emperors were normally regarded as the incarnation of the king of the gods/father of the gods.

Ishtar was worshipped all over the known world under different names. Ashtarte, Ashta Easter, etc are all variations of the name of the ancient Babylonian mother-goddess.

[Fez]

The 7th empire would have to of been those in possession of the land when the Israelites began to migrate back to their land after World War 2. That would have been the British Empire. Therefore the 7th is England.

However, the mentioning of the SEVEN HEADS are just to give us " the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is [Rome], and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he [England] must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of [from] the seven, and goeth into perdition."

It is the 8th beast that "goeth into perdition" that Rev. 13-19 is mainly dealing with

I got this far before I had to ask, if the 7th is England, and the 8th comes out of England, is this not the US? Who else has come out of England? I am not sold on this idea, but only ask for clarification.

Convicts! Aussies came from England too...

I stand corrected, thank you! So, who is it that comes out of the 7th then?

The sun never sets on the British Empire - an old quote (it has set by now)

But South Africa was colonised by the British, so was India, Egypt, Palestine?, (hmmmm.....), Zimbabwe, and a host of smaller places.

[Bold Believer]

Whats your take about who the the Great Babylon spoken of in Revelations is referring too:

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; and the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. (Revelation 18:21-24)

The destruction of this country will be so severe that it will be uninhabitable. Not even the light of one lamp will be found in this place. For in one day it will be reduced to rubble.

This one is a no brainer. The Book of Revelation (no 's') uses figures and clips from the Old Testament and from early New Testament letters as well. In this case, John gives a clue as to the city in the last line of the passage. Here is what Jesus said in Matthew 23:

Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

He's rebuking the Jewish leadership for their complicity in the killing of the prophets down through the ages. Where do these people live? J E R U S A L E M. Where is the temple located? J E R U S A L E M. What city was destroyed during THAT generation? J E R U S A L E M.

The writer is speaking of Jerusalem. You can't project the past into the future. Learn Church, I beg of you, learn.