The Mosque at Ground Zero & Freedom of Religion

[other one]

I say we all pitch in and put up a Piggley Wiggley across the street from the Mosque. Give'em free bacon for a year.

From what I've been reading at least one group is talking about putting a Gay Bar across the street from it.

[ayin jade]

There needs to be clear consistent rules applied here, regardless of which minority is applying for a building permit. Threats of violence, or the swinging pendulum of public emotion or feeling, shouldn't come into it at this point.

Actually telling that mosque that it cannot be built there IS applying consistent rules. Maybe not in Australia, but it is entirely within the norm here for such a denial of permit for that reason.

[MorningGlory]

Dave - are rights for all americans, or only those who are sensitive, moderate, and play well with others?

Right's are for all Americans but if Outreach and Understanding are what you seek. Why place it at that site? In my summation it is to taunt and to enlarge the caliphate with a victory tribute Mosque.

I have right's too, but my rights end when I run into a crowded theatre and yell, "FIRE!"

There are also plenty of reasons why this thing shouldn't be built on that site. Permits for buildings are denied all of the time. The permit for the nearby Greek Orthodox Church is being denied because they want to enlarge the Church with another floor. This is exaclty what's going to happen with the old Burlington Coat Factory/Victory Mosque and War Memorial to the slaughter of innocents.

Dave, no one (that I know of) is denying that it is a crazy move and won't be at al effective as 'outreach and understanding'. My argument is and has been that denial of permit based on community sentiment is wrong. If you want to deny it for another legitimate reason, a reason which is applied consistently to all citizens regardless of which minority group they belong to, then great.

MG, if it worked that way, the minority groups in our societies would not get to build or do anything.

How can rights be inalienable if they are taken off you by 'popular consensus'?

Standards, public indecency. A little common sense goes a long way. There are people who will bomb, maim, kill and do other things when they are pushed too far. Again, why fan the flames?

And again, if the community center is built, and people react in this way, they should be punished to the full extent of the law. Almost seems to me that we are more concerned with protecting the rights of people to potentially "bomb, maim and kill" more than the rights of people to build a mosque.

Yikes!

Are we allowed to threaten physical violence as a way of swaying government decisions? No way!

There needs to be clear consistent rules applied here, regardless of which minority is applying for a building permit. Threats of violence, or the swinging pendulum of public emotion or feeling, shouldn't come into it at this point.

Well I'm not for maiming or killing. But Americans are different people. What works in Australia, or Europe, or other places just won't work here. We are a country of laws but don't like to be told 'well, just deal with it'. It's just not who we are. These are foreign interests trying to build this mosque and it's OUR right to stop them. That's just how it is.

Two separate issues here, MG. You are free to protest as much as you like. You can try to stop them as much as you like. Go for it.

That stands alone from a potential violent reaction. I just don't see that as a valid excuse. People need to act inside the law, regardless of how they feel.

There are ways to protest without resorting to maiming and killing. Being 'different' people doesn't excuse using the prospect of a violent reaction a reason to deny this, in my opinion.

Yes, candice, people should follow the law. In any country. It's unchristian not to follow the law. But the fact remains....there are those who won't and will resort to any means if they feel threatened by islam or anything else they consider a foreign invasion. Facts are facts, regardless of what is right. I don't want to see anyone die over this nonsense. I want to see common sense prevail here.

[ayin jade]

Dave, no one (that I know of) is denying that it is a crazy move and won't be at al effective as 'outreach and understanding'. My argument is and has been that denial of permit based on community sentiment is wrong. If you want to deny it for another legitimate reason, a reason which is applied consistently to all citizens regardless of which minority group they belong to, then great.

It is entirely consistent with the way the us works with permits to deny the mosque. The reason of it being offensive to the community applies to every permit applied for. Many religious buildings or businesses are denied permits because their building doesnt fit in with the community in that location. Cities work with the one applying for a permit to get them to consider other locations that are more suitable. This mosque has refused to compromise like any other group has to. So for them to build is already not consistent with us practices and laws.

[~candice~]

Yes, candice, people should follow the law. In any country. It's unchristian not to follow the law. But the fact remains....there are those who won't and will resort to any means if they feel threatened by islam or anything else they consider a foreign invasion. Facts are facts, regardless of what is right. I don't want to see anyone die over this nonsense. I want to see common sense prevail here.

We agree there

[ayin jade]

I say we all pitch in and put up a Piggley Wiggley across the street from the Mosque. Give'em free bacon for a year.

From what I've been reading at least one group is talking about putting a Gay Bar across the street from it.

Radio talk show host doing it as a spoof to show how outrageous the mosque is. There are no real plans to put up a gay bar.

[MorningGlory]

Yes, candice, people should follow the law. In any country. It's unchristian not to follow the law. But the fact remains....there are those who won't and will resort to any means if they feel threatened by islam or anything else they consider a foreign invasion. Facts are facts, regardless of what is right. I don't want to see anyone die over this nonsense. I want to see common sense prevail here.

We agree there

[nebula]

I say we all pitch in and put up a Piggley Wiggley across the street from the Mosque. Give'em free bacon for a year.

From what I've been reading at least one group is talking about putting a Gay Bar across the street from it.

Can't support the Gay Bar, though.

[Rick-Parker]

We need to be very careful. At the beginning of the Nazi atrocities against Jews things were very much like they are now against Muslims. Jewish places of worship were vandalized and destroyed. Jews were accused of wanting to take over Germany and impose their will.

The following story makes me sick.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/29/tennessee.mosque.site.fire/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If this keeps going the way it is, it won't be long before there will be people calling for internment camps for Muslims.

As a Christian site you would think Worthy would be a place to find voices of reason. I am so dissapointed there are so few.

That is not even a close comparison. The Jews in Nazi Germany were not killing people (they were being killed), they were not trying to build a synagogue on top of/or close proximity to, a shrine to the deaths of German solders by Jewish extremists. They were not giving the Germans the finger and calling them racists because the German's felt it would be an affront to their sensitivities. Yes, we are doomed if we fail to learn from history, but the history is that the Germans murdered millions of innocent people (including 3 million Jews) which is happening now under the banner of Islam.

[Rick-Parker]

Why don't they just put a Christian church and a Jewish synagogue next to the mosque in the building? Bet you that would solve the problem.