Sabbath

[Guest LadyC]

by the way..... let's ALL keep something in mind here...

for those who choose to observe the sabbath, they are not wrong for doing so.

for those who do NOT choose to observe the sabbath, they are not wrong for not doing so, either.

if anyone feels that something is not in keeping with what God has led them to do, (for example, if they feel that they are supposed to observe the sabbath) than it would be a sin for them not to.

but that doesn't make it a sin for those whom God has not led to do it, because scripturally, we aren't required to. in all things, let the Holy Spirit direct your actions, and be sure not to condemn those who do or do not observe the sabbath as you do.

[Fez]

I can understand those who struggle with the idea of the a sabbath day change, i too was concerned and ready to observe saturday if it was the truth. A lover of truth must consider every arguement and proof and not just settle on preference or tradition.

Im posting this link as it proved to me that God did change the day and why. But also i want to say that scripture supports any day as a sabbath and none should judge another in what day they observe. Remember our Pastors and Priests work on the day we rest, and they out of necessity rest on a different day.

May God bless this to the edification of all.

http://www.charlesfinney.com/finney/finney.php?op=125

the point is (and the question was) the sabbath was a command given to the jews, not to the gentiles. once Christ came and died on the cross and was resurrected, He fulfilled the law. we are not required to obey the sabbath, and there's not a single one of us who do... because if we do, then we have to observe every single bit of the sabbath law, as fez said. and this isn't just about gentiles, it applies also to any believer in Christ Jesus, jew or gentile alike.

the only commandment we are now required to obey in that sense is the one to love God and one another. that command covers all of the 10 commandments aside from the sabbath.

romans 13:

8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments,

[JCISGD]

I can understand those who struggle with the idea of the a sabbath day change, i too was concerned and ready to observe saturday if it was the truth. A lover of truth must consider every arguement and proof and not just settle on preference or tradition.

Im posting this link as it proved to me that God did change the day and why. But also i want to say that scripture supports any day as a sabbath and none should judge another in what day they observe. Remember our Pastors and Priests work on the day we rest, and they out of necessity rest on a different day.

May God bless this to the edification of all.

http://www.charlesfinney.com/finney/finney.php?op=125

the point is (and the question was) the sabbath was a command given to the jews, not to the gentiles. once Christ came and died on the cross and was resurrected, He fulfilled the law. we are not required to obey the sabbath, and there's not a single one of us who do... because if we do, then we have to observe every single bit of the sabbath law, as fez said. and this isn't just about gentiles, it applies also to any believer in Christ Jesus, jew or gentile alike.

the only commandment we are now required to obey in that sense is the one to love God and one another. that command covers all of the 10 commandments aside from the sabbath.

romans 13:

8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,[a] You shall not covet, and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.[c] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

I agree with what your saying to a point, but keeping "A" sabbath is an act of love to God, ourselves and our neighbour. To God because we dont make our time an idol and we acknowledge He is worthy of keeping a day of worship in His name, to ourselves and our neighbour because we all need a day of rest from work and fellowship and the moral influence it exerts on society. It is usually best if we all choose one particular day to eliminate unecessary noise and business or obstacles to having fellowship and preaching.

There will be no need for rest in heaven, but as long as we are here on earth we have a moral need to rest, worship,fellowship and have preaching one day a week. IMO we are not keeping the royal law of love if we do not. Paul says "not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. Heb 10:25

I dont judge those who keep the seventh day instead of the first, but im surprised that someone born again would want to and i refute(in love) any who insist on the seventh day.

It is antinomian to think the moral law can or has been done away with.

[Guest LadyC]

JC, i believe you and i have had many impasses before, so this one is no surprise either. we are not biblically required to keep the sabbath. and in truth, not one person who claims to, does so, according to the law anyway.

but you do well in observing the sabbath according to your interpretation of the law, and you are not sinning for doing so!

and i do well in not observing the sabbath according to (any) interpretation of the law, and i am not sinning for NOT doing so!

for if you were to stop observing the sabbath because i or anyone else here convinced you it was unnecessary, that would be to cause you to sin. just as, if i or anyone else here were to start observing the sabbath because you or someone else convinced us we should (and not because of our own personal convictions that come from the Holy Spirit) then that would be to cause us to sin.

now, i don't expect for you to agree with me on this, if for no other reason than because i am a woman and you don't believe women have the right to "teach". (please forgive me if i am confusing you with someone else, but i'm pretty certain you are the one who has told me that clearly in the past.) but i do hope that you will agree to disagree and refrain from debating it further with me... because neither of us will change the other's minds, and we must both do what is right according to our relationship with God.

[Guest LadyC]

for the record.... since i believe that scripture clearly tells us that we are to follow the spirit of the law, the spirit being Christ Jesus, i want to make sure that nobody gets the impression that i don't make this or any other day less than holy. every day, to me, is holy. every day, to me, is a gift from my heavenly Father. and every day, i spend a large amount of time studying His word and communicating with Him. in Him, i find rest. i enter into HIS rest. i rest IN HIM. every day. i love my Lord.

i know many people who keep the sabbath according to their tradition, faithfully, every single week... and yet they rarely open their bible to study, they often admit to having a weak prayer life, and their lives are in utter turmoil.

i'm not saying everyone who keeps the sabbath according to their interpretation is like those who i know, but i am saying that my life is a reflection of my love for my Father and for my Lord and Saviour, and that is far more blessed to me than going thru any motions.

[Joshua-777]

Josh..I was re reading your posts mate and noticed in #7 you made reference to Isaiah 66 showing the Sabbath will exist in the new earth/heavens?

Is this new earth and heavens the same as the new heaven and earth mentioned in the Nt? I ask because in Isaiah the new heaven and earth still has birth and death.

Isa 65:20 "No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isa 65:23 They shall not labor in vain, Nor bring forth children for trouble; For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD, And their offspring with them.

Can you explain this?

Honestly, I read that a while ago, not sure about that verse. Because when we are with Jesus, there will be no more death. It could be relative to their understanding at that time, but not exactly sure.

[JCISGD]

JC, i believe you and i have had many impasses before, so this one is no surprise either. we are not biblically required to keep the sabbath. and in truth, not one person who claims to, does so, according to the law anyway.

but you do well in observing the sabbath according to your interpretation of the law, and you are not sinning for doing so!

and i do well in not observing the sabbath according to (any) interpretation of the law, and i am not sinning for NOT doing so!

for if you were to stop observing the sabbath because i or anyone else here convinced you it was unnecessary, that would be to cause you to sin. just as, if i or anyone else here were to start observing the sabbath because you or someone else convinced us we should (and not because of our own personal convictions that come from the Holy Spirit) then that would be to cause us to sin.

now, i don't expect for you to agree with me on this, if for no other reason than because i am a woman and you don't believe women have the right to "teach". (please forgive me if i am confusing you with someone else, but i'm pretty certain you are the one who has told me that clearly in the past.) but i do hope that you will agree to disagree and refrain from debating it further with me... because neither of us will change the other's minds, and we must both do what is right according to our relationship with God.

hi LadyC, yep agree to disagree, please dont make comments on my posts if you dont want replies or willing to look at proofs made available. I posted my reasons and you did not address them, other than to repost what you already believe.

Lovers of truth will look honestly into all claims no matter how disagreeable, how else can we be corrected? You are right i do not think a women should teach a man based on scripture, but i cant stop you trying and i dont take offence.

[BlindSeeker]

For all who believe God has cast away the Sabbath, how do you explain this verse?

Isa 24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws,

changed the

ordinance

<choq>

, broken the everlasting covenant.

<choq> -

an appointment (of

time

, space, quantity,

labor

or usage):--appointed, bound, commandment, convenient, custom, decree(-d), due, law, measure, X necessary, ordinance(- nary), portion,

set time

, statute, task.

There is only one "ordinance" given by the finger of God written in stone.

In what other way was it changed?

[Guest LadyC]

JC, i believe you and i have had many impasses before, so this one is no surprise either. we are not biblically required to keep the sabbath. and in truth, not one person who claims to, does so, according to the law anyway.

but you do well in observing the sabbath according to your interpretation of the law, and you are not sinning for doing so!

and i do well in not observing the sabbath according to (any) interpretation of the law, and i am not sinning for NOT doing so!

for if you were to stop observing the sabbath because i or anyone else here convinced you it was unnecessary, that would be to cause you to sin. just as, if i or anyone else here were to start observing the sabbath because you or someone else convinced us we should (and not because of our own personal convictions that come from the Holy Spirit) then that would be to cause us to sin.

now, i don't expect for you to agree with me on this, if for no other reason than because i am a woman and you don't believe women have the right to "teach". (please forgive me if i am confusing you with someone else, but i'm pretty certain you are the one who has told me that clearly in the past.) but i do hope that you will agree to disagree and refrain from debating it further with me... because neither of us will change the other's minds, and we must both do what is right according to our relationship with God.

hi LadyC, yep agree to disagree, please dont make comments on my posts if you dont want replies or willing to look at proofs made available. I posted my reasons and you did not address them, other than to repost what you already believe.

Lovers of truth will look honestly into all claims no matter how disagreeable, how else can we be corrected? You are right i do not think a women should teach a man based on scripture, but i cant stop you trying and i dont take offence.

i had actually thought i was replying to josh777, not to you, or i wouldn't have bothered. i should have been paying more attention. but don't call the kettle black, ok? i need no other proofs other than what is written directly in scripture, and i provided it.

[Randolf Kane]

I can understand those who struggle with the idea of the a sabbath day change, i too was concerned and ready to observe saturday if it was the truth. A lover of truth must consider every arguement and proof and not just settle on preference or tradition.

Im posting this link as it proved to me that God did change the day and why. But also i want to say that scripture supports any day as a sabbath and none should judge another in what day they observe. Remember our Pastors and Priests work on the day we rest, and they out of necessity rest on a different day.

May God bless this to the edification of all.

http://www.charlesfi...nney.php?op=125

the point is (and the question was) the sabbath was a command given to the jews, not to the gentiles. once Christ came and died on the cross and was resurrected, He fulfilled the law. we are not required to obey the sabbath, and there's not a single one of us who do... because if we do, then we have to observe every single bit of the sabbath law, as fez said. and this isn't just about gentiles, it applies also to any believer in Christ Jesus, jew or gentile alike.

the only commandment we are now required to obey in that sense is the one to love God and one another. that command covers all of the 10 commandments aside from the sabbath.

romans 13:

8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments,