Jesus' death and atonement

[nebula]

There's been a few topics on this, and of course it got me thinking....

We all know that Jesus came to Earth as a man for the purpose of dying as the atoning sacrifice for our sin. But do we really understand how a normal execution (for that day and time) could fulfill the sacrificial requirement?

I am hoping you are understanding the question.

I was thinking about this today. What gave it or made it spiritually significant?

The only answer to enter my mind was this:

Knowing that death was/is the punishment for sin -

Somehow putting to death one who was sinless made all the difference.

I'm not sure how to put into words what I was thinking with that. It just struck me the profoundness of that.

Am I making sense?

Anyway, thoughts?

[other one]

Another question I keep asking myself is whether or not it made a difference because he was who he is.

If it were possible for another person to get to that age and not have sinned, would it be the same?

[MorningGlory]

Another question I keep asking myself is whether or not it made a difference because he was who he is.

If it were possible for another person to get to that age and not have sinned, would it be the same?

No. Jesus was fully man and fully God. Just any person wouldn't do because no person is sinless. God, in effect, sacrificed Himself for those He loves. What greater sacrifice could there be?

[other one]

Another question I keep asking myself is whether or not it made a difference because he was who he is.

If it were possible for another person to get to that age and not have sinned, would it be the same?

No. Jesus was fully man and fully God. Just any person wouldn't do because no person is sinless. God, in effect, sacrificed Himself for those He loves. What greater sacrifice could there be?

Yeah, but I can what if. If another person could have managed not sining, would that have worked just as well, or would it really have had to be Jesus.

We'd have to agree on what "God" means for me to totally agree with the blue part

[Guest man]

Another question I keep asking myself is whether or not it made a difference because he was who he is.

If it were possible for another person to get to that age and not have sinned, would it be the same?

No.

[nebula]

If it were possible for another person to get to that age and not have sinned...?

I think that question falls in line with: "If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, did it make a noise?"

I understand your question, though.

The only thing I can think of is the verse where God says He couldn't find anyone to stand in the gap, so He did it Himself (major paraphrase, too tired right now to look it up).

[MorningGlory]

Another question I keep asking myself is whether or not it made a difference because he was who he is.

If it were possible for another person to get to that age and not have sinned, would it be the same?

No. Jesus was fully man and fully God. Just any person wouldn't do because no person is sinless. God, in effect, sacrificed Himself for those He loves. What greater sacrifice could there be?

Yeah, but I can what if. If another person could have managed not sining, would that have worked just as well, or would it really have had to be Jesus.

We'd have to agree on what "God" means for me to totally agree with the blue part

I know about 'what iffing' because I do it myself all the time. But the meaning of 'God' is never up for interpretation, IMO. When I say 'God' I mean He who was, who is and who is yet to come. Jesus and God are one and the same so God sacrificed Himself to keep us. Pretty amazing in my book.

[other one]

Another question I keep asking myself is whether or not it made a difference because he was who he is.

If it were possible for another person to get to that age and not have sinned, would it be the same?

No. Jesus was fully man and fully God. Just any person wouldn't do because no person is sinless. God, in effect, sacrificed Himself for those He loves. What greater sacrifice could there be?

Yeah, but I can what if. If another person could have managed not sining, would that have worked just as well, or would it really have had to be Jesus.

We'd have to agree on what "God" means for me to totally agree with the blue part

I know about 'what iffing' because I do it myself all the time. But the meaning of 'God' is never up for interpretation, IMO. When I say 'God' I mean He who was, who is and who is yet to come. Jesus and God are one and the same so God sacrificed Himself to keep us. Pretty amazing in my book.

Well I can't go down this path without destroying this thread, so I won't.

[RGR]

Another question I keep asking myself is whether or not it made a difference because he was who he is.

If it were possible for another person to get to that age and not have sinned, would it be the same?

No.

Agreed!!! Here's the thing....sin is passed down from the father. In effect, Adam sinned thereby passing sin to all of his descendants. Jesus, however, was not of Adam's seed, but was conceived of the Spirit. Since God is sinless, a sin nature was not imparted to Christ.

I know you weren't trying to be cute, but the thought of someone being sinless at the age of 33 is nonsense.

[Botz]

There's been a few topics on this, and of course it got me thinking....

We all know that Jesus came to Earth as a man for the purpose of dying as the atoning sacrifice for our sin. But do we really understand how a normal execution (for that day and time) could fulfill the sacrificial requirement?

I am hoping you are understanding the question.

I was thinking about this today. What gave it or made it spiritually significant?

The only answer to enter my mind was this:

Knowing that death was/is the punishment for sin -

Somehow putting to death one who was sinless made all the difference.

I'm not sure how to put into words what I was thinking with that. It just struck me the profoundness of that.

Am I making sense?

Anyway, thoughts?

Not really this time Neb....the L-rd laid down His life, and had the death of a common criminal...He who had no sin became sin that we might live...the profoundness IMO is not found in the idea that somehow Jesus death made all the difference because He was sinless and somehow if any other person could have been sinless their sacrifice would have been enough too...rather that no one took His life from Him, He gave it up, He came from the Father and returned to the Father, and He walked into every prophecy ever written that fortold of His coming, suffering and triumph.

What is profound is that the King of Glory should humble Himself and live and die as a man amongst us and by us, and yet seek the lost and save all who truly place their trust in Him...what is profound is that G-d Himself should take the punishment that I justly deserved and save me and give me eternal life and knowing Him as an inheritance.

1. And can it be that I should gain

an interest in the Savior's blood!

Died he for me? who caused his pain!

For me? who him to death pursued?

Amazing love! How can it be

that thou, my God, shouldst die for me?

Amazing love! How can it be

that thou, my God, shouldst die for me?

2. 'Tis mystery all: th' Immortal dies!

Who can explore his strange design?

In vain the firstborn seraph tries

to sound the depths of love divine.

'Tis mercy all! Let earth adore;

let angel minds inquire no more.

'Tis mercy all! Let earth adore;

let angel minds inquire no more.

3. He left his Father's throne above

(so free, so infinite his grace!),

emptied himself of all but love,

and bled for Adam's helpless race.

'Tis mercy all, immense and free,

for O my God, it found out me!

'Tis mercy all, immense and free,

for O my God, it found out me!

4. Long my imprisoned spirit lay,

fast bound in sin and nature's night;

thine eye diffused a quickening ray;

I woke, the dungeon flamed with light;

my chains fell off, my heart was free,

I rose, went forth, and followed thee.

My chains fell off, my heart was free,

I rose, went forth, and followed thee.

5. No condemnation now I dread;

Jesus, and all in him, is mine;

alive in him, my living Head,

and clothed in righteousness divine,

bold I approach th' eternal throne,

and claim the crown, through Christ my own.

Bold I approach th' eternal throne,

and claim the crown, through Christ my own.