Spin off From "IS Jesus God" thread in Doctrinal

[nChrist]

The TOS of this site will not let us discuss the deity of Christ and I'm a little surprised the thread has gone as far as it has.

Are you kidding? I have posted an entire study on the Deity of Christ and there are several threads on that issue or at least contain that issue. It has been discussed at length many times on the board.

Brother,

I think that the other poster was thinking about open teaching that Jesus Christ is not God on a Christian forum. Frankly, I'm also surprised that is being allowed here. A Muslim is not seeking to be a Christian, rather to attempt to prove that islam is correct and Christianity is wrong. He's butchering the Holy Bible in his attempt. A Muslim considers himself to be a preacher and teacher to us poor infidel Christians, and he has been given a pulpit to do just that. His interest appears to be converts to islam on a Christian forum. I personally find the attack on Christianity on a Christian forum to be extremely offensive. The question should come to the minds of most Christians: why is this being allowed on a Christian forum? How many pulpits for false religions are going to be allowed here? Many people other than the Christians here read these threads, and I'll assume that they are also confused why this is being allowed. There should also be a concern for those who are seeking to become Christians and new Christians who are ill-equipped to handle the confusion from the false religion pulpit that has been allowed. If this isn't against the forum rules, it should be. This Christian forum is a ministry to many other than the members, and there should be a concern about glorifying the Only and True Living God - not false religions and false gods with a little "g". One final question might help to illustrate the concern of the other poster: would you provide an islam pulpit in the local assembly of the church you attend? I think that the answer would be NO.

[Guest shiloh357]

I had an entire soapbox debate with someone who professed to be a Christian who rejected the deity of Jesus.

The reason THIS thread has gone on so long is to give the unbeliever a chance to find the truth. Muslims read the NT and they have an apologetic that attempts to refute or "re-interpret" Scriptures that mention the deity of Jesus. A Muslim is getting a chance to test their apologetic against Christians who are able to defend the deity of Jesus. A Muslim is discovering that some of his best arguments don't really hold water and don't stand up to close examination. Hopefully, that will lead him to ask more questions.

One final question might help to illustrate the concern of the other poster: would you provide an islam pulpit in the local assembly of the church you attend? I think that the answer would be NO.

Well you cannot compare WBs to a local church. However, while many feel the pulpit is sanctified and is not for just anyone to stand in to say whatever they want, I do believe that my church and many others are willing to provide a moderated forum for Muslims to challenge our faith.

[other one]

The TOS of this site will not let us discuss the deity of Christ and I'm a little surprised the thread has gone as far as it has.

Are you kidding? I have posted an entire study on the Deity of Christ and there are several threads on that issue or at least contain that issue. It has been discussed at length many times on the board.

Maybe I've confused it with another board I frequent Shilo.....

[nChrist]

One final question might help to illustrate the concern of the other poster: would you provide an islam pulpit in the local assembly of the church you attend? I think that the answer would be NO.

Well you cannot compare WBs to a local church. However, while many feel the pulpit is sanctified and is not for just anyone to stand in to say whatever they want, I do believe that my church and many others are willing to provide a moderated forum for Muslims to challenge our faith.

I guess that we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll speak for my local assembly and say that a muslim would never be given a pulpit to teach and preach from. It should be an unquestioned fact that this Christian forum is a ministry for Christ - not for islam. A Muslim would be welcome in my church as a LISTENER - not a preacher or teacher attacking Christianity. My pastor might have a private conversation with such an individual, but he wouldn't be turned loose on the congregation. My opinion and mine only, you don't give the devil a pulpit. You can bet that the devil can quote Scripture, be wise, and deceive many. Is that what a Christian forum wants to accomplish? So, as far as I'm concerned, I think that A Muslim needs to be preaching and teaching on an islamic forum, not a Christian forum.

[nebula]

nChrist - This has been the way the Mods have tended to handle such. They allow them some time on the Board to hear the Gospel before disallowing them the floor.

[A Muslim]

It would be most difficult for us to have a discussion when you don't think that Jesus died and was resurrected. I've read where your religion says that God or Allah has no son. I can't disagree with that for it's impossible for me to think that Allah is the Father which is my God.

Well, you can know who is Allah through my article here:

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We can argue for years and actually thousands of years as to the divinity of Christ and it will change nothing. Whether he was just a human with an eternal spirit inside or whatever we might decide, he's still the only way to salvation. I wish there was some way I could get you to see that, but it usually takes the Holy Spirit to accomplish this........ so my prayers are for the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to the truths of the word...... and to the things that matter.

I agree with you, we need to talk about other subjects like Jesus' salvation through the cross and the Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) in the Bible to get the whole picture, the issue we are discussing here is actually the beginning not the end.

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[Dog House Bill]

It would be most difficult for us to have a discussion when you don't think that Jesus died and was resurrected. I've read where your religion says that God or Allah has no son. I can't disagree with that for it's impossible for me to think that Allah is the Father which is my God.

Well, you can know who is Allah through my article here:

[edit]

We can argue for years and actually thousands of years as to the divinity of Christ and it will change nothing. Whether he was just a human with an eternal spirit inside or whatever we might decide, he's still the only way to salvation. I wish there was some way I could get you to see that, but it usually takes the Holy Spirit to accomplish this........ so my prayers are for the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to the truths of the word...... and to the things that matter.

I agree with you, we need to talk about other subjects like Jesus' salvation through the cross and the Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) in the Bible to get the whole picture, the issue we are discussing here is actually the beginning not the end.

Sorry, I have no interest in reading more false statements that make allah to be above Jesus, no muslim has convinced me that Islam is nothing more than a "murder cult" where if I do not become a muslim, you must seek me out and murder me for not converting. this is written out in plain language with in the Qu`ran, as well as the statement that muslims will achieve world peace only when the whole world becomes muslim. The only way to achieve that is to murder anyone who refuses your evil beliefs written by a single person suffering from extreme heat stroke.

This is the truth, from your own "holy" book. Islam is nothing but another satanic lie bent on deception of people to take them away from the one true God, Jesus Himself. Your attempts at presenting yourself as an intelligent , and compassionate person smells of trash when the truth of the muslim reality is exposed.

All person MUST repent of the sins they have committed, accept Jesus as the one true savior of ALL mankind. A person must also renounce previous beliefs in other false deities and embrace the one true deity of the Lord Jesus, who is God in the flesh.

If a person rejects this free gift of God, not allah, the lake of fire is their reward AFTER their time on earth ends at the appointed time set by God, not some religious fanatic trying to silence opposition. Nowhere in the New Testament does it say that a Christian is to "seek out the infidel and kill them." only in the unholy qu`ran does this appear. It is high time that the real truth of the evil that islam dictates to its followers be exposed.

In Islam there is only death; In Jesus there is only life and true love.

[other one]

It would be most difficult for us to have a discussion when you don't think that Jesus died and was resurrected. I've read where your religion says that God or Allah has no son. I can't disagree with that for it's impossible for me to think that Allah is the Father which is my God.

Well, you can know who is Allah through my article here:

[edit]

We can argue for years and actually thousands of years as to the divinity of Christ and it will change nothing. Whether he was just a human with an eternal spirit inside or whatever we might decide, he's still the only way to salvation. I wish there was some way I could get you to see that, but it usually takes the Holy Spirit to accomplish this........ so my prayers are for the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to the truths of the word...... and to the things that matter.

I agree with you, we need to talk about other subjects like Jesus' salvation through the cross and the Prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) in the Bible to get the whole picture, the issue we are discussing here is actually the beginning not the end.

My My, if you think you are going to get me to agree with your religion, don't hold your breath or fast or you'll pass out and die from hunger before that even starts.... I've been through your teachings and do firmly reject them as being reality, and you'll just have to cut my head off if that's what it comes down to. I don't think I could participate in that discussion with you without getting personal and I doubt many here will tolerate that kind of teachings.

So I'll just leave it at that for now.

[A Muslim]

"Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong)"

[Dog House Bill]