Power needed b4 we begin.

[OneLight]

How I see this is that only God is holy. Saying this, when we allow Him to work through us, we are considered holy. It could be said that by allowing God to work His will through us that we have done an act of holiness by surrendering to His will.

[nebula]

I have never fully understood about waiting for power from God. According to 2 Peter 1 : 3 Christians are given "Everything we need for life and godliness" at the moment of salvation.

Maybe it isn't as simple as that. Maybe I am not seeing the scripture as I should be or Maybe I am taking it out of context.

To me it seems quite straightforward.

Here is a verse to chew on.

This took place after Pentecost and after Peter and John healed the lame man at the Temple and had to testify before the Sanhedrin:

Acts 4:31 - And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness.

[Matthitjah]

How I see this is that only God is holy. Saying this, when we allow Him to work through us, we are considered holy. It could be said that by allowing God to work His will through us that we have done an act of holiness by surrendering to His will.

I agree.

[Matthitjah]

I have never fully understood about waiting for power from God. According to 2 Peter 1 : 3 Christians are given "Everything we need for life and godliness" at the moment of salvation.

Maybe it isn't as simple as that. Maybe I am not seeing the scripture as I should be or Maybe I am taking it out of context.

To me it seems quite straightforward.

Here is a verse to chew on.

This took place after Pentecost and after Peter and John healed the lame man at the Temple and had to testify before the Sanhedrin:

Acts 4:31 - And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness.

Re-filled. I agree with that. I believe that we constantly need to go to the source and drink. The River of life is a flowing River not a stilled reservoir or pool.

[JCISGD]

Butero, you could class me as wesleyan, but at this stage i havnt experienced sanctification as a second experience. I only believe it is there for the getting. Some say we get it all at salvation, and that might be right positionally but i want it experiencially. As for ongoing being filled with the H/S, that too is concieveable to me, but i dont think speaking in tongues is proof of anything.

Dave i dont think its got by works, like salvation its got by faith. The one thing im convinced of is that we need it.

Its God alone who does the circumcising, and wether there be anything i ought to do to position myself for this i dont claim to know.

[OneLight]

Butero, you could class me as wesleyan, but at this stage i havnt experienced sanctification as a second experience. I only believe it is there for the getting. Some say we get it all at salvation, and that might be right positionally but i want it experiencially. As for ongoing being filled with the H/S, that too is concieveable to me, but i dont think speaking in tongues is proof of anything.

Dave i dont think its got by works, like salvation its got by faith. The one thing im convinced of is that we need it.

Its God alone who does the circumcising, and wether there be anything i ought to do to position myself for this i dont claim to know.

God looks for a heart that is His. If your heart belongs to only Him, that is all you can do.

[Matthitjah]

Butero, you could class me as wesleyan, but at this stage i havnt experienced sanctification as a second experience. I only believe it is there for the getting. Some say we get it all at salvation, and that might be right positionally but i want it experiencially. As for ongoing being filled with the H/S, that too is concieveable to me, but i dont think speaking in tongues is proof of anything.

Dave i dont think its got by works, like salvation its got by faith. The one thing im convinced of is that we need it.

Its God alone who does the circumcising, and wether there be anything i ought to do to position myself for this i dont claim to know.

Yet, you seem to be so concerned over this matter. Maybe I'm wrong. There's nothing wrong with seeking after more of God in fact more Christians need to do this instead of being satisfied with the revelation that they do have. The revelation they do have they should live to the fullest whilst seeking more IMO.

[Matthitjah]

Arthur,

For the record. I do believe that there is a level of Grace and Dispensation, a certain fullness, that the Body in the West by and large is not walking in. I find it very sad too.

peace,

Dave

[sdktlk]

Butero, you could class me as wesleyan, but at this stage i havnt experienced sanctification as a second experience. I only believe it is there for the getting. Some say we get it all at salvation, and that might be right positionally but i want it experiencially. As for ongoing being filled with the H/S, that too is concieveable to me, but i dont think speaking in tongues is proof of anything.

Dave i dont think its got by works, like salvation its got by faith. The one thing im convinced of is that we need it.

Its God alone who does the circumcising, and wether there be anything i ought to do to position myself for this i dont claim to know.

Yet, you seem to be so concerned over this matter. Maybe I'm wrong. There's nothing wrong with seeking after more of God in fact more Christians need to do this instead of being satisfied with the revelation that they do have. The revelation they do have they should live to the fullest whilst seeking more IMO.

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." (Mat 5:6) Salvation is no the end of Christian growth, it is the beginning. And in order to go forward I have to begin at the beginning, not somewhere along the path. Where is the beginning? It would of course be the first teachings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ which are contained in Matthew 5,6,7 and Luke 6. For us to try and start from any other place would be an error for, "if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. The husbandman that labors must be first partaker of the fruits." (2Tim 2:5)

[JCISGD]

Arthur,

For the record. I do believe that there is a level of Grace and Dispensation, a certain fullness, that the Body in the West by and large is not walking in. I find it very sad too.

peace,

Dave

Im like a man who has seen a vision, i dont know how its to fulfilled but also cant not talk about it.

Or like the two beggars outside the gates when God slew the enemy, they said to themselves we better go tell the news lest we get in trouble for keeping it to ourselves.

Even if i never see the reality of it, i can stil point to those who i know did have it in the hopes that even one does and God sets a fire amongst us.