America's lunatic middle east policy.

[Isaiah 6:8]

Gotcha sorry I am overtired and I understood your point! I did not mean to take away from it.

[MorningGlory]

First of all the president said that the Palistinians would have to accept Israel as a Jewish state. Then when he said they would go back to the 1967 borders he also added that there would have to be equal territory swaps so as to ensure the defensability of both Israel and Palistine. He also said that he (and the US) would never stop being friends and helping Israel.

he also knows that the way the arabs are breeding that at some point in the near future there will not be any way to solve this peacefully....... and can not anyway unless the arabs accept Israel as a nation.

Good post, O.O. You are one of the very few that get the whole thing.

[Fraught]

I dont get it. Normally I dont rail on these post about politics and I work hard to stay out of that topic in my 'Examiner articles' but I dont get it. Someone please explain it to me. Barak Obama in his speech, just the other day, now believes that Israel should return to it's pre- 1967 borders, reducing the country to just about 9 miles wide. What would they get in return for this dramatic consession? A country both the north and West end of its borders governed by Hamas, the PLA's version of Al Quida. This at a time, when these 'thugs' are launching rockets into Israel and killing children riding on a school bus. Please help me understand. Ariel Sharon stood at West Bank settlements with a bullet proof jacket, after having agree to dismantle jewish settlements. His body guards were afraid he would be shot by an angry Jewish settler! He asked for only peace in return. The people of the PLA's response? They elected Hamas to run the country. Israel agreed to pull out of Lebanon years early, when they had their foot on the Lebanese throat. Their requirement? That the UN would ensure that Hezbolah did not take up residence in the land they left. Some 15 years later, had to return to root Hezbolah out of the very place they vacated.

How many times do you get slapped in the face, lied to. How many times do your woman and children come home in body bags before it is recognized that you have a right to defend your country! How many more hollocusts must happen before as a world we understand that these people have a basic right to exist! This administration's middle east policy is lunacy! Complete lunacy! Please help me to understand what this President is thinking?! Had to get that off my chest.

from what i understand, working from the 1967 borders has been the starting point for all peace talks that have ever taken place. this doesn't mean the u.s. wants those borders, it's just a point that all can refer to so that all members of the talks can be on the same page.

[~candice~]

First of all the president said that the Palistinians would have to accept Israel as a Jewish state. Then when he said they would go back to the 1967 borders he also added that there would have to be equal territory swaps so as to ensure the defensability of both Israel and Palistine. He also said that he (and the US) would never stop being friends and helping Israel.

he also knows that the way the arabs are breeding that at some point in the near future there will not be any way to solve this peacefully....... and can not anyway unless the arabs accept Israel as a nation.

Good post, O.O. You are one of the very few that get the whole thing.

Define "friends with Israel". Yeah it's easy for Obama to say that, but alliances are determined not by words but by actions. It is not the act of a "friend" to demand a return to indefensible borders which welcome the dessimation of Israel by it's enemies. Just how exactly does that work? "I'm your friend, so I'm going to support something that will be [from a military, strategic point of view] an act of sabotage"??? Whaaa???

[other one]

First of all the president said that the Palistinians would have to accept Israel as a Jewish state. Then when he said they would go back to the 1967 borders he also added that there would have to be equal territory swaps so as to ensure the defensability of both Israel and Palistine. He also said that he (and the US) would never stop being friends and helping Israel.

he also knows that the way the arabs are breeding that at some point in the near future there will not be any way to solve this peacefully....... and can not anyway unless the arabs accept Israel as a nation.

Good post, O.O. You are one of the very few that get the whole thing.

Define "friends with Israel". Yeah it's easy for Obama to say that, but alliances are determined not by words but by actions. It is not the act of a "friend" to demand a return to indefensible borders which welcome the dessimation of Israel by it's enemies. Just how exactly does that work? "I'm your friend, so I'm going to support something that will be [from a military, strategic point of view] an act of sabotage"??? Whaaa???

Candice, Obama did not recomend, demand or even suggest that they return to their 67 borders without swapping land that would make both countries defendable...... You need to listen to his entire speech before you say those kinds of things. He made it very very clear that the USA would never turn it's back on Israel.

he went on to tell people that because of the birth rate of the arabs in the area that unless some way is found to get a two state peace between them soon, it will be impossible to do just from the demographics that are developing...... which Israel really needs to pay attention to.. He also said that unless the Palistinians agree that Israel has a right to exist in peace, there can be no peace...... so I really don't understand what you guys and gals are getting so upset about.....

[~candice~]

Sam, it doesn't make it any more palatable that there was a swap of land proposed rather than just a mere giving away of land.

[nebula]

Candice, Obama did not recomend, demand or even suggest that they return to their 67 borders without swapping land that would make both countries defendable...... You need to listen to his entire speech before you say those kinds of things. He made it very very clear that the USA would never turn it's back on Israel.

he went on to tell people that because of the birth rate of the arabs in the area that unless some way is found to get a two state peace between them soon, it will be impossible to do just from the demographics that are developing...... which Israel really needs to pay attention to.. He also said that unless the Palistinians agree that Israel has a right to exist in peace, there can be no peace...... so I really don't understand what you guys and gals are getting so upset about.....

What do you make of the observation Palin made,

[Guest]

I dont get it. Normally I dont rail on these post about politics and I work hard to stay out of that topic in my 'Examiner articles' but I dont get it. Someone please explain it to me. Barak Obama in his speech, just the other day, now believes that Israel should return to it's pre- 1967 borders, reducing the country to just about 9 miles wide. What would they get in return for this dramatic consession? A country both the north and West end of its borders governed by Hamas, the PLA's version of Al Quida. This at a time, when these 'thugs' are launching rockets into Israel and killing children riding on a school bus. Please help me understand. Ariel Sharon stood at West Bank settlements with a bullet proof jacket, after having agree to dismantle jewish settlements. His body guards were afraid he would be shot by an angry Jewish settler! He asked for only peace in return. The people of the PLA's response? They elected Hamas to run the country. Israel agreed to pull out of Lebanon years early, when they had their foot on the Lebanese throat. Their requirement? That the UN would ensure that Hezbolah did not take up residence in the land they left. Some 15 years later, had to return to root Hezbolah out of the very place they vacated.

How many times do you get slapped in the face, lied to. How many times do your woman and children come home in body bags before it is recognized that you have a right to defend your country! How many more hollocusts must happen before as a world we understand that these people have a basic right to exist! This administration's middle east policy is lunacy! Complete lunacy! Please help me to understand what this President is thinking?! Had to get that off my chest.

from what i understand, working from the 1967 borders has been the starting point for all peace talks that have ever taken place. this doesn't mean the u.s. wants those borders, it's just a point that all can refer to so that all members of the talks can be on the same page.

I'm pretty sure that ObaMoses (that's my new portmanteau for him in reference to Israel) meant those borders.

[nebula]

What do you make of the observation Palin made,

I make that she is just trying to "strengthen" her run for the presidency, in which, if she wins will still do the exact same nonsense, just in right wing way. The right will love her and big her up with " look at Sarah" and " you go girl" while the left will despise her. Basically the circle of political-life will continue.

Ruck!

I wanted to hear what people though of her message, about the

[MorningGlory]

I make that she is just trying to "strengthen" her run for the presidency, in which, if she wins will still do the exact same nonsense, just in right wing way. The right will love her and big her up with " look at Sarah" and " you go girl" while the left will despise her. Basically the circle of political-life will continue.

I agree with your premise, although I don't believe she will run, because the American President (regardless of who he/she may be) is stuck with this Middle East peace process and there is no way out of the morass except to pretend to back the idiocy of 'land for peace'. No President has meant it and Ms. Palin would follow the same tired route if she was elected.