I have 2 questions I hope someone can answer!

[childeye]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

Death entered the world through sin by the choice of man. Therefore the sin in people is killing us through sickness like cancer and we bring death through our actions. Both are the result of disobedience to God. We are given a free will and are able to choose. Does God know that things would be as they are? yes. Does He Like it? no. CAn we say its Gods will? No, because to say it is, is to say Adams sin was His will. This is my thought, God Knew and knows how everthing will turn out depending ON WHAT WE CHOSE. If we chose His way He Knows how everything will turn out for us from beginning to end and the same is true if we chose not to follow His way. Any aborted baby did not happen because it was Gods will, rather the baby died at the choice of the mother because of her sin that exists in all people. This is why what Christ did on the cross is so increditble, the forgivness of our sin!!!

e

Respectfully, this is not quite accurate. Death entered in by not trusting God. The disobedience entered in not just because mankind was faced with a decision. Why mankind decides which way they go is the issue. It is a matter of trust. Consequently all is happening as a testimony to God's Glory and our impotence due to the lack of the knowledge of God's character. Consequently those who know God trust Him. All that happens in time exists to destroy vanity so as to bring about an everlasting Kingdom of God. It's all in the story of the prodigal son.

[~candice~]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

Death entered the world through sin by the choice of man. Therefore the sin in people is killing us through sickness like cancer and we bring death through our actions. Both are the result of disobedience to God. We are given a free will and are able to choose. Does God know that things would be as they are? yes. Does He Like it? no. CAn we say its Gods will? No, because to say it is, is to say Adams sin was His will. This is my thought, God Knew and knows how everthing will turn out depending ON WHAT WE CHOSE. If we chose His way He Knows how everything will turn out for us from beginning to end and the same is true if we chose not to follow His way. Any aborted baby did not happen because it was Gods will, rather the baby died at the choice of the mother because of her sin that exists in all people. This is why what Christ did on the cross is so increditble, the forgivness of our sin!!!

e

Respectfully, this is not quite accurate. Death entered in by not trusting God. The disobedience entered in not just because mankind was faced with a decision. Why mankind decides which way they go is the issue. It is a matter of trust. Consequently all is happening as a testimony to God's Glory and our impotence due to the lack of the knowledge of God's character. Consequently those who know God trust Him. All that happens in time exists to destroy vanity so as to bring about an everlasting Kingdom of God. It's all in the story of the prodigal son.

Romans 5 makes it very clear that death entered via sin .

Can you please explain how you think the story of the prodigal son is about the everlasting Kingdom of God? While it is true that God's Kingdom is everlasting, I don't see how that is the point of the prodigal son, which is largely about God's love.

[childeye]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

Death entered the world through sin by the choice of man. Therefore the sin in people is killing us through sickness like cancer and we bring death through our actions. Both are the result of disobedience to God. We are given a free will and are able to choose. Does God know that things would be as they are? yes. Does He Like it? no. CAn we say its Gods will? No, because to say it is, is to say Adams sin was His will. This is my thought, God Knew and knows how everthing will turn out depending ON WHAT WE CHOSE. If we chose His way He Knows how everything will turn out for us from beginning to end and the same is true if we chose not to follow His way. Any aborted baby did not happen because it was Gods will, rather the baby died at the choice of the mother because of her sin that exists in all people. This is why what Christ did on the cross is so increditble, the forgivness of our sin!!!

e

Respectfully, this is not quite accurate. Death entered in by not trusting God. The disobedience entered in not just because mankind was faced with a decision. Why mankind decides which way they go is the issue. It is a matter of trust. Consequently all is happening as a testimony to God's Glory and our impotence due to the lack of the knowledge of God's character. Consequently those who know God trust Him. All that happens in time exists to destroy vanity so as to bring about an everlasting Kingdom of God. It's all in the story of the prodigal son.

Romans 5 makes it very clear that death entered via sin .

Can you please explain how you think the story of the prodigal son is about the everlasting Kingdom of God? While it is true that God's Kingdom is everlasting, I don't see how that is the point of the prodigal son, which is largely about God's love.

Yes I do not deny death entered in because of sin, defining sin as seperation from God Whose Word is the life and Light of man. Moreover God had said the eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil would bring death and we know God's Word is True. However scripture is clear that distrust preceded the disobedience required to eat of the fruit, since one must first distrust God to disobey Him. As we know Adam trusted Eve over God and Eve was beguled by the serpent who had lied about God. That is why elsewhere it says that righteousness is by faith and without faith no man can please God.

The prodigal son is to me the story of the sinner and repentance as well as God's love. It is a perfect description of the sinner thinking there is something out there better than what God has provided. This is similar to Adam and the frame of mind necessary for the first disobedience to occur. The lesson the wayward son learns is that things were always well in his Fathers house and he had sinned against his Father by taking for granted his station in the first place. Here through hardship the vanity of the son was destroyed and he repented and turned back with a contrite heart hoping to be a lowly servant. The kingdom of God is inherited by the contrite of heart who have also learned the lesson that God is trustworthy even by witnessing the loving sacifice of His son who is the True image of God.

[childeye]

='mizzdy' timestamp='1329237344' post='1771441']

If Adam and Eve did not have free will then they could not have chosen to listen to anothers voice, the advesaries. They were created with freewill, the angels have freewill otherwise Lucifer would not have been able to do what he did.

shalom,

Mizz

Respectfully one only need ears to hear words of poison and we do not choose to have ears. I recall they were innocent in the Garden and would have had no knowledge of guile. I think we are using terms differently for I see only a will necessary to make a choice. A freewill is one that would be able to choose freely without restraint or compulsion. As we know sin is a compulsion or desire of the flesh and it wars with the Spirit. Moreover Satan is the Father of it not God. Never did God give us the disability to disobey Him, Satan did that. Scripture also states that Satan sinned because of vanity not freewill. I take it that he counted his many attributes as his own rather than being thankful to God, not recognizing that God had given him all that he had.

[j102]

I'm reminded of what god spoke- "they having eyes to see and ears to hear yet they neither see nor hear"

sad that some cant see the forest for the trees

[childeye]

I'm reminded of what god spoke- "they having eyes to see and ears to hear yet they neither see nor hear"

sad that some cant see the forest for the trees

You got that right.

[Shiloh62]

This has been bothering me alot lately. If God numbers our days and sets the time for our deaths, does that mean God meant for aborted children to die when they did?

If so, for what purpose?

Thanx in advance!

No, God does not approve of murder.

[mizzdy]

='mizzdy' timestamp='1329237344' post='1771441']

If Adam and Eve did not have free will then they could not have chosen to listen to anothers voice, the advesaries. They were created with freewill, the angels have freewill otherwise Lucifer would not have been able to do what he did.

shalom,

Mizz

Respectfully one only need ears to hear words of poison and we do not choose to have ears. I recall they were innocent in the Garden and would have had no knowledge of guile. I think we are using terms differently for I see only a will necessary to make a choice. A freewill is one that would be able to choose freely without restraint or compulsion. As we know sin is a compulsion or desire of the flesh and it wars with the Spirit. Moreover Satan is the Father of it not God. Never did God give us the disability to disobey Him, Satan did that. Scripture also states that Satan sinned because of vanity not freewill. I take it that he counted his many attributes as his own rather than being thankful to God, not recognizing that God had given him all that he had.

God gave us all freewill, that is the ability to choose, choose one path or the other, it was the same for Adam and Eve. Adam choose to listen to another word over Gods, freewill. It seems at least to me that both Eve and Adam were familiar with this serpent, Eve did not seem nor do the way its written indicate she was afraid or worried about the serpent in the garden. In that we see freewill, free to say yes to the serpent and no to God, we are not told if they were going to be aware of the dire consequences of their actions though. Yet at the same time God spoke to Adam and gave Him a strict law not to eat of that tree and like a silly child disobeyed and sin entered into mankind through that. Yes sin is rampant within our fleshly bodies but when we accept Him we are given the gift of the Spirit that helps us war with the flesh and spirit where He teaches us to overcome those fleshly desires and walk according to His ways. That is freewill, just like when we learn to obey our parents we often get rewarded so does our Elohim, He blesses our lives in so many ways.

shalom,

Mizz

[childeye]

='mizzdy' timestamp='1329237344' post='1771441']

If Adam and Eve did not have free will then they could not have chosen to listen to anothers voice, the advesaries. They were created with freewill, the angels have freewill otherwise Lucifer would not have been able to do what he did.

shalom,

Mizz

Respectfully one only need ears to hear words of poison and we do not choose to have ears. I recall they were innocent in the Garden and would have had no knowledge of guile. I think we are using terms differently for I see only a will necessary to make a choice. A freewill is one that would be able to choose freely without restraint or compulsion. As we know sin is a compulsion or desire of the flesh and it wars with the Spirit. Moreover Satan is the Father of it not God. Never did God give us the disability to disobey Him, Satan did that. Scripture also states that Satan sinned because of vanity not freewill. I take it that he counted his many attributes as his own rather than being thankful to God, not recognizing that God had given him all that he had.

God gave us all freewill, that is the ability to choose, choose one path or the other, it was the same for Adam and Eve. Adam choose to listen to another word over Gods, freewill. It seems at least to me that both Eve and Adam were familiar with this serpent, Eve did not seem nor do the way its written indicate she was afraid or worried about the serpent in the garden. In that we see freewill, free to say yes to the serpent and no to God, we are not told if they were going to be aware of the dire consequences of their actions though. Yet at the same time God spoke to Adam and gave Him a strict law not to eat of that tree and like a silly child disobeyed and sin entered into mankind through that. Yes sin is rampant within our fleshly bodies but when we accept Him we are given the gift of the Spirit that helps us war with the flesh and spirit where He teaches us to overcome those fleshly desires and walk according to His ways. That is freewill, just like when we learn to obey our parents we often get rewarded so does our Elohim, He blesses our lives in so many ways.

shalom,

Mizz

I understand your point of view, but the ability to choose is glossing over and even bypassing the issue of God, man and morality. Certainly righteous men do choose to do righteous things even because they have love in their hearts. Moreover I honestly say I do not choose to not have vile passiions nor could I. The ability to choose between God and a false god is not freewill anymore than being deceived is. For God said you shall have no other gods. There is no excuse such as claiming God gave man a freewill so he could create his own idols.

Regarding the woman not being afraid of the serpent. There is no ample reason to believe she was familiar with the serpent since Eve was innocent and could not know fear.

I would address this statement because I think you framed this perfectly. In that we see freewill, free to say yes to the serpent and no to God, You describe a moment of decision that Eve is put in not by her own choosing. She must choose, not because she is free to but because she has heard something that contradicts what she had comfortably believed in the first place. She had no concept of guile and scripture is clear on this. She was being beguiled and she does not know her naivete. You at first present this as a freewill based on the fact that we have the ability to choose. But of course we choose all the time, but then whether you see this or not you imply the choice is made freely which it of course is not. Satan is clearly seeking to influence her unto disobedience. Your claim to a freewill is premised on the fact that she must be the one to make the choice so as to act, when only a will is what you are more accurately describing.

This is made more clear because you then equate her disobedience to a silly child, which places her, in your own words, as a malleable will. Consequently a freewill cannot be defined by saying no to God and yes to the devil since one is a lie, but only by saying yes to God and no to the devil. Otherwise God is an option rather than an absolute and the Truth and a lie are equal in value. That is why Jesus said the Truth will set you free. So Jesus does not see a freewill but a deceived will. Wherein he says the desires of your Father you will do to those who were called children of Satan, and desire are another definition of will. So it would be like saying Jesus did not know that the ability to believe a lie and discard the Truth was freedom, not foolishness.

Another way to see this is that nobody who knew God was always looking out for our best interests and trusted God knew more than us, would ever consider disobedience as freedom. You must first despise being under God before you would count disobedience to God as freedom.

Thank you for your very pleasant response.