Are Satan and Lucifer one and the same?

[Floatingaxe]

Satan refers to Lucifer---these names among others refer to the same single being, who has made himself the enemy of God.

[Lauri]

I would agree with the quote below. Satan is Lucifer, the Devil, the serpent, the dragon. He appears as an angel of light, he is the great deceiver.

Helel Ben Shachar

Lucifer in the Bible

In the Bible, the Hebraic text in Isaiah 14:2 refers to Helel Ben Shachar or Heylel Ben-Shachar (הילל בן שחר). Helel Ben-Schachar is translated into English as “O shining star, son of the dawn!" The name Lucifer is a translation of Helel Ben-Shachar into Latin by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Lucifer derives from two Latin words, lux (light) and fero (to bear–to bring), meaning light-bearer, light-bringer. The Bible identifies Lucifer as Devil, Satan, serpent, dragon, dweller of hell and other names.

http://helel.com/

2 Corinthians 11:14 KJV

(14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Ask Satan anything you want, he will never tell the whole truth, because the truth is not in him.

John 8:44 KJV

(44) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[Pilgrim_of_the_Dispersion]

Lucifer is very obviously not the name for Satan.

The only time the name Lucifer is mentioned in the Bible is in Isaiah 14:12, and that verse is part of a larger address from God to the king of Babylon. (Isaiah 14:4-27) Lucifer was a name given to this particular king of Babylon. It might not have been his real name, it may just represent the way he is going to be humbled by God. It in no way refers to Satan. Please don't believe that it's Satan simply because that's what you have heard your life. Also, please do not try to twist this passage to say what you want it to, but simply read the text and understand what it clearly says.

[enoob57]

Lucifer is very obviously not the name for Satan.

The only time the name Lucifer is mentioned in the Bible is in Isaiah 14:12, and that verse is part of a larger address from God to the king of Babylon. (Isaiah 14:4-27) Lucifer was a name given to this particular king of Babylon. It might not have been his real name, it may just represent the way he is going to be humbled by God. It in no way refers to Satan. Please don't believe that it's Satan simply because that's what you have heard your life. Also, please do not try to twist this passage to say what you want it to, but simply read the text and understand what it clearly says.

Really! WOW simply WOW...

Isa 14:1-11 King of Babylon clearly

...........The analogy of fall of the earthly king subdued by satan's spiritual influence to that of highest of the angels fall of same............

Isa 14:12-15 Who has fallen from heaven? (angels)

Isa 14:16:21 The analogy sealed in combined subject of earthly king and fallen angel!

Love, Steven

[other one]

Hummmm, interesting that you would think a king of Babylon would have fallen from heaven and become like us, and had wanted to arise above the clouds and be like the most high....

[Pilgrim_of_the_Dispersion]

Hummmm, interesting that you would think a king of Babylon would have fallen from heaven and become like us, and had wanted to arise above the clouds and be like the most high....

Many men want to be like God.

Also, the word "heaven" is not talking about where God's glory is. It's actually talking about the sky, the atmosphere, the firmament. The name Lucifer means Day Star, so we have the imagery of a star falling out of the sky. That is not to say that this king of Babylon literally fell out of the sky, but that he exalted himself and that God will humble him.

Also, where does it say he is made "like us"? And who is this "us?" The others who are spoken of in this passage are rival nations. And this Lucifer is not said to be made like them, but to be made lower than them, that the name and remnant of Babylon will be cut off (verse 22).

Really! WOW simply WOW...

Isa 14:1-11 King of Babylon clearly

...........The analogy of fall of the earthly king subdued by satan's spiritual influence to that of highest of the angels fall of same............

Isa 14:12-15 Who has fallen from heaven? (angels)

Isa 14:16:21 The analogy sealed in combined subject of earthly king and fallen angel!

Love, Steven

enoob, you are saying that God is suddenly addressing a different person in verse 12 than He is in verses 4-11, or even verses 20-27, which could not apply to Satan. That makes absolutely no sense. You would need some extremely concrete evidence in saying that God just randomly starts talking of Satan. God is talking about a king who has exalted himself and will be humbled. Everything in the entire passage harmonizes with that identity, but not with the identity of Satan.

Also, verses 12-15 would not apply to Satan, or to any fallen angels, because it says "For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven...'" Were not Satan and his angels already in heaven, in the presence of God, if they were to fall out of it?

Edited January 28, 2012 by Pilgrim_of_the_Dispersion

[enoob57]

Really! WOW simply WOW...

Isa 14:1-11 King of Babylon clearly

...........The analogy of fall of the earthly king subdued by satan's spiritual influence to that of highest of the angels fall of same............

Isa 14:12-15 Who has fallen from heaven? (angels)

Isa 14:16:21 The analogy sealed in combined subject of earthly king and fallen angel!

Love, Steven

enoob, you are saying that God is suddenly addressing a different person in verse 12 than He is in verses 4-11, or even verses 20-27 God is speaking through the prophet of future events so that people may know it is the Lord indeed!, which could not apply to Satan. That makes absolutely no sense. You would need some extremely concrete evidence in saying that God just randomly starts talking of Satan. God is talking about a king who has exalted himself and will be humbled. Everything in the entire passage harmonizes with that identity, but not with the identity of Satan.

So fallen from heaven fits and earthly king? God has so demonstrated His abilities to speak to multiple times as shown 'Out of Egypt I have called my Son' 1800 years thought fulfilled yet His Son also at 2-4 years of age at Herod's death! Indicating the very ability you doubt!

[Pilgrim_of_the_Dispersion]

God is speaking through the prophet of future events so that people may know it is the Lord indeed!

First of all, that is entirely speculation. The entire passage is a judgment on the king of Babylon (v. 4). Second, it couldn't be a prophecy of future events, because Satan has already disobeyed God thousands of years BEFORE these words were spoken.

So fallen from heaven fits and earthly king?

Apparently you didn't read the portion of my post directed at "other one", because I explained that the word heaven is referring to the sky, the atmosphere, the firmament, not where the glory of God is. This is true because:

1) Lucifer means "Day Star," and stars are in the sky (actually in space, but the ancients did not know about anything outside of the earth) and so we have the imagery of a star falling from the sky. Not heaven.

2) The passage talks about the king of Babylon saying he wants to make his throne high, "above the stars of God," (13) "above the heights of the clouds," (14). These are mentions of the earthly heavens, not of the spiritual heaven. It's speaking of a very earthly king.

God has so demonstrated His abilities to speak to multiple times as shown 'Out of Egypt I have called my Son' 1800 years thought fulfilled yet His Son also at 2-4 years of age at Herod's death! Indicating the very ability you doubt!

[enoob57]

Really that's very interesting ... Love, Steven

[other one]

Really that's very interesting ... Love, Steven

and it was said sooo well...