Mormon Bishop's daughter spills Romney's "Secrets"

[SavedByGrace1980]

RE: Romney and Mormonism

I'm not sure we should be going down this road. Romney is running for the office of President - not pastor, priest or rabbi. To the extent that we can ascertain whether he is a morally upstanding individual (which he seems to be), we should just leave it there.

And I write that not as a supporter of Romney. I'm not - if he is the nominee I will not be voting for him. My problems with Romney are issue oriented - he's "flip-flopped" on several issues I care about.

My concern with bringing one's religion into the political mix can be summed up by the old expression "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander". In other words, if it's "okay" that a Mormon be rejected for political office because of their beliefs, then it's "okay" for an evangelical Christian to be rejected as well.

Blessings!

-Ed

[MorningGlory]

Yes that is all true. I have many Mormon family members, and I am a distant relation to Mitt, we share a great grandfather a ways back. Like 4 or 5 grandfathers back. You see he had 12 wives, so I have a lot of family.

Wow! When did the road turn from Mormonism in your family, Isaiah? Have you researched your family tree?

My grandma she went new age but we hope found the lord just before she passed away, and my mom was saves when she was pregnant with me. Long story I'll pm you mor if you wish!

Yes, I'd love to hear the story. I'm always interested in how people leave a cult like Mormonism or islam and become believers, Praise God.

[MorningGlory]

RE: Romney and Mormonism

I'm not sure we should be going down this road. Romney is running for the office of President - not pastor, priest or rabbi. To the extent that we can ascertain whether he is a morally upstanding individual (which he seems to be), we should just leave it there.

And I write that not as a supporter of Romney. I'm not - if he is the nominee I will not be voting for him. My problems with Romney are issue oriented - he's "flip-flopped" on several issues I care about.

My concern with bringing one's religion into the political mix can be summed up by the old expression "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander". In other words, if it's "okay" that a Mormon be rejected for political office because of their beliefs, then it's "okay" for an evangelical Christian to be rejected as well.

Blessings!

-Ed

It's not so much a religion issue as a lack of judgment issue, Ed. As my youngest daughter put it....."How on earth could I vote for someone who thinks he's on his way to being a god himself and that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers?" The kid hit it right between the eyes. Those beliefs border on madness.

[SavedByGrace1980]

RE: Romney and Mormonism

I'm not sure we should be going down this road. Romney is running for the office of President - not pastor, priest or rabbi. To the extent that we can ascertain whether he is a morally upstanding individual (which he seems to be), we should just leave it there.

And I write that not as a supporter of Romney. I'm not - if he is the nominee I will not be voting for him. My problems with Romney are issue oriented - he's "flip-flopped" on several issues I care about.

My concern with bringing one's religion into the political mix can be summed up by the old expression "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander". In other words, if it's "okay" that a Mormon be rejected for political office because of their beliefs, then it's "okay" for an evangelical Christian to be rejected as well.

Blessings!

-Ed

It's not so much a religion issue as a lack of judgment issue, Ed. As my youngest daughter put it....."How on earth could I vote for someone who thinks he's on his way to being a god himself and that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers?" The kid hit it right between the eyes. Those beliefs border on madness.

I agree 100 percent with you (and your daughter) - theologially. Where we part ways I suppose is I'm more reluctant than you to have it be an issue in a political campaign. (Full disclosure: I'm not completely against bringing religion into a political discussion. I would never for example consider a Muslim for high office - simply because I view Islam as a threat and a political movement as much as a religion)

Like I said - I am reluctant to give ammunition to the other side who wants to paint all evangelicals as unfit for office.

As to some of the more bizarre beliefs of Mormonism, I'm with you there. But - have you ever been in a discussion with a non-believer and had them question you on the resurrection or the virgin birth or wanted you to explain the Trinity? My intent is not to equate that with Mormonism - just to compare to the extent that the basis for much of what we believe is faith.

I was seven years old in 1960 when JFK ran for president - he was the first Roman Catholic to do so. I remember my parents (along with a lot of other Protestants at the time) being real concerned about that. Now they were registered Republicans so they wouldn't have voted for the democrat in any event - but in all honesty looking back I don't see where his Catholicism was a problem. (given his moral issues that we found out about later, perhaps he should have been a BETTER Catholic)

But everyone who achieves the office of President has to swear to uphold and defend the Constitution. My cynical side says a Mormon is as capable to do that as any other (or incapable, as the last hundred or so years have shown).

Blessings!

-Ed

[ayin jade]

A mormon candidate's religion does affect how he or she will govern. Read Harper magazines article on mormon economics for a good example. Some mormons, like glenn beck, actively promote the white horse prophecy of the mormons. If romney also holds to that view, it will definitely affect his ability to govern.

I have a lot of mormon leaders in my state. They have not governed well. I would never vote for another one if I could avoid it. If it was romney versus obama ... sigh I dont know what to do.

[SavedByGrace1980]

A mormon candidate's religion does affect how he or she will govern. Read Harper magazines article on mormon economics for a good example. Some mormons, like glenn beck, actively promote the white horse prophecy of the mormons. If romney also holds to that view, it will definitely affect his ability to govern.

I have a lot of mormon leaders in my state. They have not governed well. I would never vote for another one if I could avoid it. If it was romney versus obama ... sigh I dont know what to do.

I know Harry Reid is a Mormon and I'm definitely not impressed with him!

In a previous post I wrote that I could never vote for a Muslim because I see Islam as a threat to our political system and our way of life. It is a political movement as much as a religion - a political system which is incompatible with ours.

Do you see Mormonism that way? Do you see it as a political system incompatible with ours? If you do, then I can understand your reluctance to vote for a Mormon. And being in a western state, you certainly know more about them than I.

Just to restate something I said before, though, I'd hate to give the other side ammunition (in this case, not supporting someone because of their religious beliefs) that can later on be used against evangelicals.

I can just hear it now - our legitimate and strategic support of Israel is reduced to a sound byte: "Oh you're just a crazy right-wing Christian who supports Israel because of some verse in your Bible".

But I respect your opinion. (let me also restate that I WILL NOT be voting for Romney - but it's because of his "flip-flops".)

Blessings!

-Ed

[Isaiah 6:8]

I would very much hesitate to vote for a Mormon. I know there history to well, and you bring up Islam, there are several similarities to how Mormonism got started and how Islam got started, and honestly as I have dealt a lot with both, I sense an almost same driving spirit behind them. They have been a political movement in there history, they have committed acts of terrorism and were a very violent group to start with. They have over time reinvented themselves, going the more flies with honey approach.

They are very much wolves in sheep's clothing and they retain that mindset ,and they are very extremely controlling. They in general have a hunger for power and control on several levels, they are very much a cult. Getting out of the church is near impossible, and due to that I hardly know most of my LDS family.

Now I do understand your standpoint of if Mormons are bad so are Christians etc... Its a slippery slope to be sure however why you vote the way you do is up to you. I would never say you could not run for President if you were any religion, and would never make it a law, that would go to far. There is no law and in my heart and mind, I believe that having a Mormon in the white house while it may not be detrimental, I would worry about anything they said as they are very good at painting something for what it is not.

[OneLight]

If a persons faith does not reflect how they would govern, then their faith is nothing, be it what ever faith they hold.

[SavedByGrace1980]

I would very much hesitate to vote for a Mormon. I know there history to well, and you bring up Islam, there are several similarities to how Mormonism got started and how Islam got started, and honestly as I have dealt a lot with both, I sense an almost same driving spirit behind them. They have been a political movement in there history, they have committed acts of terrorism and were a very violent group to start with. They have over time reinvented themselves, going the more flies with honey approach.

They are very much wolves in sheep's clothing and they retain that mindset ,and they are very extremely controlling. They in general have a hunger for power and control on several levels, they are very much a cult. Getting out of the church is near impossible, and due to that I hardly know most of my LDS family.

Now I do understand your standpoint of if Mormons are bad so are Christians etc... Its a slippery slope to be sure however why you vote the way you do is up to you. I would never say you could not run for President if you were any religion, and would never make it a law, that would go to far. There is no law and in my heart and mind, I believe that having a Mormon in the white house while it may not be detrimental, I would worry about anything they said as they are very good at painting something for what it is not.

I'm pretty sure the next president will be either Romney or Obama.

Although I won't vote for him (and I'm certainly not voting for Obama), I was prepared to feel at least somewhat better if Romney won.

Now, I'm not so sure . . .

Blessings!

-Ed

[SavedByGrace1980]

If a persons faith does not reflect how they would govern, then their faith is nothing, be it what ever faith they hold.

But should a person limit their vote to only vote for someone who believes exactly as they do?

And I know it hasn't worked so well with Obama, but we DO have a system of checks and balances. One would hope that it would stop someone from acting too much like a dictator. (Again I know it hasn't worked with Obama - but I expect it would work better with Romney - a Republican. The mainstream news media - no friend of Republicans - would see to that)

Anyway, I seem to be defending Mormonism and/or Romney. Trust me, that's not my intent.

Blessings!

-Ed