Revelation 13

[Babbler]

The beast is a nation (Rome), personified by a man (Nero) It has nothing to do with us today. Nero is dead and I am not afraid of him. The number of the beast (Rome) is the number of a man (Nero). It is a historical fact that Nero's name adds up to 666. Nero died of a self-inflicted head wound. Rome was nearly destroyed in the civil wars that resulted from his death, but was revived once Vespasian restored stability.

Nero did make war with the saints for 42 months and he did overcome them briefly. Nero considered himself to be god and said so often, committing blasphemy. Furthermore, he spoke evil of Christians and Christ and Christianity.

Anyone who refused to burn a pinch of incense to the genus (deity) of the emperor was refused the right to buy or sell. Christianity was proclaimed religio illicita under Nero.

Your theory doesn't hold any water when examined in the light of both history and Scripture.

Bold

Nero committed suicide. This beast of Rev 13 along with the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire (Rev 19:20) So Nero ain't this beast you say he is.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Your right the beast in 13 is Domitian. He persecuted the Christians as Nero did.The hint is that he is the reincarnation of Nero. He is the eighth king but really one of the seven whose wound has been healed.

Unless it has to do with the ressurrection I will not consider Daniel or Revelation having anything to do with Eschatology. But I am sure that many will continue to believe the tribulation and millenial teachings. Just as I am sure no amount of evidence will sway the Darwiniacs in re-evaluating their lack of science.

[douggg]

The beast is a nation (Rome), personified by a man (Nero) It has nothing to do with us today. Nero is dead and I am not afraid of him. The number of the beast (Rome) is the number of a man (Nero). It is a historical fact that Nero's name adds up to 666. Nero died of a self-inflicted head wound. Rome was nearly destroyed in the civil wars that resulted from his death, but was revived once Vespasian restored stability.

Nero did make war with the saints for 42 months and he did overcome them briefly. Nero considered himself to be god and said so often, committing blasphemy. Furthermore, he spoke evil of Christians and Christ and Christianity.

Anyone who refused to burn a pinch of incense to the genus (deity) of the emperor was refused the right to buy or sell. Christianity was proclaimed religio illicita under Nero.

Your theory doesn't hold any water when examined in the light of both history and Scripture.

Bold

Nero committed suicide. This beast of Rev 13 along with the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire (Rev 19:20) So Nero ain't this beast you say he is.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Your right the beast in 13 is Domitian. He persecuted the Christians as Nero did.The hint is that he is the reincarnation of Nero. He is the eighth king but really one of the seven whose wound has been healed.

Unless it has to do with the ressurrection I will not consider Daniel or Revelation having anything to do with Eschatology. But I am sure that many will continue to believe the tribulation and millenial teachings. Just as I am sure no amount of evidence will sway the Darwiniacs in re-evaluating their lack of science.

The bible doesn't support the concept of reincarnation.

[other one]

The beast is a nation (Rome), personified by a man (Nero) It has nothing to do with us today. Nero is dead and I am not afraid of him. The number of the beast (Rome) is the number of a man (Nero). It is a historical fact that Nero's name adds up to 666. Nero died of a self-inflicted head wound. Rome was nearly destroyed in the civil wars that resulted from his death, but was revived once Vespasian restored stability.

Nero did make war with the saints for 42 months and he did overcome them briefly. Nero considered himself to be god and said so often, committing blasphemy. Furthermore, he spoke evil of Christians and Christ and Christianity.

Anyone who refused to burn a pinch of incense to the genus (deity) of the emperor was refused the right to buy or sell. Christianity was proclaimed religio illicita under Nero.

Your theory doesn't hold any water when examined in the light of both history and Scripture.

Bold

Nero committed suicide. This beast of Rev 13 along with the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire (Rev 19:20) So Nero ain't this beast you say he is.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Your right the beast in 13 is Domitian. He persecuted the Christians as Nero did.The hint is that he is the reincarnation of Nero. He is the eighth king but really one of the seven whose wound has been healed.

Unless it has to do with the ressurrection I will not consider Daniel or Revelation having anything to do with Eschatology. But I am sure that many will continue to believe the tribulation and millenial teachings. Just as I am sure no amount of evidence will sway the Darwiniacs in re-evaluating their lack of science.

The bible doesn't support the concept of reincarnation.

and Jesus didn't come down here and throw him into the fire with the falso prophet...

[Trax]

Revelation 13:16:

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Now enters the imitator of God. I take it that the world will see this one as the ultimate peace giver and will throw open their arms to welcome him into their, very, hearts. I find it important to note, here, that the Mark is issued and nowhere before the Beasts take over is it given. Many fear the Chip that, today, is being injected into our animals and the children of the Upper Class, all over the world. All of the Banks are calling for this chip to be given to all of us, but this is not the mark. (My opinion.) There is reason to fear this chip but for the time being, at least, the Mark of the Beast is the least of the reasons.

All of our Bank Records, Criminal Records and Medical Records are accessed through this chip and still, these are not as dangerous as the primary reason to distrust the chip. These chips are read because they have an RF Signal. RF is short for Radio Frequency. Therefore the chip is locatable 365 days a year, 24/7. You cannot hide without cutting the chip out of your body.

Revelation 13:17:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The word "mark" was translated from a word that means to "engrave" or to "stamp." The "mark" is to be seen more than just an item to be used.

With today's technology, people want to think of a "chip". Now, is the "mark" used to give someone the "ability" to buy & sell, or give someone

the "right" to buy & sell? "Ability" versus "right" is two seperate directions. Look back at evil people in history and see how evil played itself

out. Take Hitler, for example. Those in the Nazi Party had to wear the Swastika arm band. Jews lost the right to buy and sell and their property and

money were later taken. Now, the Jews had money like everyone else, but they lost their right to use it. Go back in America's past, where

you had stores and resturants that had signs "Whites Only". Did non-whites have a different form of money? No, they had the very same money and had

the same "ability" to buy and sell as whites. What they didn't have, at that time, was the "right" to buy and sell in those places.

Using a different form of exchange, IMO, is hardly grounds for eternal condemnation. Punishment for taking the "mark" is placed on the same level

as worshipping the beast, so it has to be more than just the "ability" to buy & sell. Taking the "mark" is making the anti-christ your leader, your

saviour, in the difficult times on the earth, and saying he is the almighty great one who will lead mankind into the new era of mankind. Those who

don't take the mark will be accused of being in opposition to this new dawning era. If you aren't part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

One of the perks for aligning oneself with the anti-christ is to have the right to buy and sell.

I have studied prophecy for over 25 years. In the 1980's, I couldn't see an easy way to get people to get a tattoo on their forehead or hand. It just

wouldn't fly over too well. Today, with most everyone getting tattoos, that obsticle if gone. There wont be any trouble getting people to get a tattoo mark

on their forehead. They are getting tattoos on their head now. Everyone who has gotten a tattoo, in the past 10 years, have helped remove this obsticle

for the atni-christ, created an atmosphere where tattoos are desirable, and helped build an expressway so people can get condemned to the lake of fire,

quickly and efficiently. I would NOT want to be a believer, who got a tattoo, in the past 10 years, and made straight the ways of the anti-christ.

When you do face your Lord, it wont be pretty. It is my opinion, that any believer who influenced people to take the "mark", by helping remove this

obsticle, may lose a reward, for every person they influenced. Taking the "mark" is the point of no return and any believer who helped get them there,

well, I'm glad I'm not in your shoes. I do wonder who those believers are truly working for or if they are truly saved.

[year2027]

God first

The beginning of life and end of life!

02-12-2011

The book of Revelation a book that people look for meaning in future tense and past tense but gives no future meaning or no history meaning. Revelation is talking the here and now of each personal life otherwise it about you. Your life from the beginning of your life until the end of your life how you live your personal life?

I cannot wave a magic stick and unfold your life but tell how you can understand the book of Revelation. If you’re filled with pride, nothing I can say will help you to understand my simple words of truth but if your listen to me, I will try. Because I am just a man like you are a moral with limited love and a fool of fools.

Revelation 1 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

This is revelation of Jesus Christ otherwise the seed inside your heart which God gave unto him the one who die and rose again to make this seed possible in you, to show unto his servant things which must shortly to pass otherwise to show you the value of Christ the seed in you; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John otherwise he send the seed and signified it by his son the seed of Christ unto you his servant of truth and John is just the name of the person who reveal the truth.

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Who bare record of the word of God otherwise you are personal person that has sowed in your heart has God’s word, and of testimony of Jesus Christ otherwise the story of Jesus life on this earth and changed from death to life is truth that you have believe in your heart and all things that he saw otherwise the things you witness in your life that made it a truth.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophesy, and keep those things, which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Blessed is he that readiest otherwise the one is reading this book is blessed and they hears the words of this prophecy otherwise the person that hears spiritual the words of this book or revelation, and keep those things which are written therein otherwise the person keep in their heart the good news that was spoken in this book: for the time is at hand otherwise is now that you live this Book.

This more than a book and more than a saying you’re the person reading this prophesy of the spirit that lives in your heart. Because in your heart you have proven these things to be the truth that no man can say a thing to change your mind because in the heart is what you believe.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

John to the seven churches which are in Asia otherwise the seven kinds of people that are in yourself the body of Christ seed: Grace be unto you otherwise grace above in your heart, and peace otherwise peace of mind, from him which is otherwise from Christ is the seed, and which was, otherwise in God as seed of the son, and which is to come otherwise the return of yourself the birth of yourself the change you come out of that flesh; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne otherwise the seven personality of the inner self before Christ kingdom.

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

And from Jesus Christ otherwise by Jesus Christ we have our seed in us, who is the faithful witness, otherwise Christ Jesus was the witness and is the witness that we will get up, and begotten of the dead otherwise the first to rise from death, and the prince of the kings of the earth otherwise Christ is the king of kings the fleshly blood line of the earth. Unto him that loved us otherwise unto God whom love that he gave his son so we could live, and washed us from our sins in his own blood otherwise God wipe away our trespasses.

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father otherwise we are join heirs unto God’s kingdom of truth and Christ brothers in the seed; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever otherwise unto glory of God with sons ship rights for ever and ever. Amen otherwise the end.

The completion of an image of you’re that mirrors your hearts, which was written on your heart as we put it into our hearts as the word of truth. A note in you is heart that seals the seed, with believing of truth. I getting tired now so will finish later with love and a holy kiss Roy.

NOW TO DOWN TO CHAPTER 13

God first

Chapter 13 of Revelation!

03-04-2011

Here I sat as Christ gives every word I feel the truth coming of my words as I battle with things of this world. As I hear Christ more clearly as listen him with my heart hearing my heart the sounds of love. I am about to share more on Revelation then I will move to Hebrews for a time next.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

As I stand upon the sand near to the waters of truth I perceive a man-beast of the wild of holy water of truth having spiritual perfection of divine perfection which on each horn spiritual perfection of false truth. The man that I perceive was like unto leopard and his were solid surface as walking easy boldly and the man spoke the word of truth.

As Christ gave power over others of great authority and I perceive the man was wounded to death and Christ healed the man. As the world wonders after the man as they worship Christ the seed.

Christ the man was given power unto the man-beast as they the people who were of the world wonders worshiping the man saying who is like the Christ who can make war with the man. There was given unto the man truth great truths blasphemies and strength was unto the man the Antichrist is here.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Antichrist opened his mouth against God to comment the unforgivable sin his name above God’s name making God name nothing for this his kind. The Antichrist made war with rightness believers the saints. But then who only saw them self their personal the man personal view s as whole mankind shall worship the man.

But our names are written in the book of life and Christ was slain so we could live forever more from the foundations of life itself. If anyone hear let perceive the truth Christ leading into truth to free us the world of self we shall understand the truth as Christ kill with the word of truth that we must destroy all that come against us with the truth that we have hide. Here is patience that we have with faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

I perceive another man coming from below and double false truth and the man spoke hate as one of kind can. The man showed his powers and first man-beast one false truth make another false truth and caused the world great pain because worship the wrong image as the man-beast wound was healed.

And the man-beast did great wonders that he made hate come down unto the holy men of God in the sight of all watching. The man-beast deceived them who on the earth with ways that were false miracles that the man-beast had false strength in our self. The man-beast told his followers to make an image of his-self that was wounded by the word of truth.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The man-beast had make life again unto the image of man as the man-beast spoke of his-self and the man-beast cause to worship the over God. The man-beast has made all persons to the mark in their mind of right side.

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

No person that told us “you will not worship man-beast” which can purchase a false truth or sell a false truth unless the man-beast name was complete man-beast. Here is the truth that you have understood the complete man-beast is 666. Thank you with the love of God and a holy kiss from Roy and us.

[Bold Believer]

The beast is a nation (Rome), personified by a man (Nero) It has nothing to do with us today. Nero is dead and I am not afraid of him. The number of the beast (Rome) is the number of a man (Nero). It is a historical fact that Nero's name adds up to 666. Nero died of a self-inflicted head wound. Rome was nearly destroyed in the civil wars that resulted from his death, but was revived once Vespasian restored stability.

Nero did make war with the saints for 42 months and he did overcome them briefly. Nero considered himself to be god and said so often, committing blasphemy. Furthermore, he spoke evil of Christians and Christ and Christianity.

Anyone who refused to burn a pinch of incense to the genus (deity) of the emperor was refused the right to buy or sell. Christianity was proclaimed religio illicita under Nero.

Your theory doesn't hold any water when examined in the light of both history and Scripture.

Bold

Nero committed suicide. This beast of Rev 13 along with the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire (Rev 19:20) So Nero ain't this beast you say he is.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Your right the beast in 13 is Domitian. He persecuted the Christians as Nero did.The hint is that he is the reincarnation of Nero. He is the eighth king but really one of the seven whose wound has been healed.

Unless it has to do with the ressurrection I will not consider Daniel or Revelation having anything to do with Eschatology. But I am sure that many will continue to believe the tribulation and millenial teachings. Just as I am sure no amount of evidence will sway the Darwiniacs in re-evaluating their lack of science.

The man in Revelation can't be Domitian. His name doesn't add up to 666. Nero's does. Also, the Domitian persecution lasted longer than 42 months. Domitian never died of a head wound either.

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, JohnDB.

Revelation 13 (NASB95)

1 And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore.

Genesis 22:17 (NASB95)

17 indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies.

Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea,

Revelation 11:7 (NASB95)

7 When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them.

having ten horns

Revelation 17:12 (NASB95)

12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.

Zechariah 8:23 (NASB95)

23 “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” ’ ”

and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.

Revelation 17:7-13 (NASB95)

7 And the angel said to me, “Why do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

8 “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits,

10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.

11 “The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.

12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.

13 “These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.

2 And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.

Daniel 7:1-7 (NASB95)

1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel saw a dream and visions in his mind as he lay on his bed; then he wrote the dream down and related the following summary of it.

2 Daniel said, “I was looking in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the great sea.

3 “And four great beasts were coming up from the sea, different from one another.

4 “The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man; a human mind also was given to it.

5 “And behold, another beast, a second one, resembling a bear. And it was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth; and thus they said to it, ‘Arise, devour much meat!’

6 “After this I kept looking, and behold, another one, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird; the beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.

7 “After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.

And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.

Luke 22:3 (NASB95)

3 And Satan entered into Judas who was called Iscariot, belonging to the number of the twelve.

John 13:26-27 (NASB95)

26 Jesus then answered, “That is the one for whom I shall dip the morsel and give it to him.” So when He had dipped the morsel, He took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.

27 After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Therefore Jesus said to him, “What you do, do quickly.”

Acts 1:25 (NASB95)

25 to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.”

3 I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;

Revelation 11:7 (NASB95)

7 When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them.

Revelation 17:8 (NASB95)

8 “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

Revelation 20:1-3 (NASB95)

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

Matthew 24:24 (NASB95)

24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 (NASB95)

9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies,

Daniel 11:36-37 (NASB95)

36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.

37 “He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all.

and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.

Revelation 11:2 (NASB95)

2 “Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.

Daniel 7:25 (NASB95)

25 ‘He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

Daniel 12:7 (NASB95)

7 I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.

Revelation 12:14 (NASB95)

14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

Revelation 11:3 (NASB95)

3 “And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Revelation 12:6 (NASB95)

6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-11 (NASB95)

3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?

6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;

9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.

11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them,

Revelation 12 (NASB95)

1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; (see Genesis 37:9-10 for her identity)

2 and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.

3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.

4 And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.

5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.

6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war,

8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

11 “And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.

12 “For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”

13 And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child.

14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

15 And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood.

16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth.

17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

10 If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.

Daniel 7:8 (NASB95)

8 “While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.

12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.

Revelation 11:7 (NASB95)

7 When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them.

Revelation 17:8 (NASB95)

8 “The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

Revelation 20:1-3 (NASB95)

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men.

14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life.15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Matthew 24:24 (NASB95)

24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 (NASB95)

9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,

17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Revelation 14:9-10 (NASB95)

9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Revelation 16:2 (NASB95)

2 So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and it became a loathsome and malignant sore on the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.

Revelation 19:20 (NASB95)

20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 15:2 (NASB95)

2 And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of God.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

Ezra 2:13 (NASB95)

13 the sons of Adonikam, 666;

Nehemiah 7:18 (NASB95)

18 the sons of Adonikam, 667; (adonai qum = "risen lord")

1 Kings 10:14 (NASB95)

14 Now the weight of gold which came in to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold,

2 Chronicles 9:13 (NASB95)

13 Now the weight of gold which came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold,

Just what is your point in all these non sequitur comparisons you make? YOU CAN'T DRAW CONCLUSIONS BASED ON A SIMILAR WORD OR PHRASE OR NUMBER! That's like jamming two puzzle pieces together that DON'T FIT! The CONTEXTS have to fit together first before you can attempt to make linear comparisons from there! That's like looking at the PICTURES OR COLORS on the puzzle pieces and seeing if they match, first!

You are taking liberties with the Scriptures that ought not be taken, and we should always remind ourselves of this warning from Yeshua` as we write and post on this forum:

Matthew 12:36-37

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

KJV

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, year2027.

God first

The beginning of life and end of life!

02-12-2011

The book of Revelation a book that people look for meaning in future tense and past tense but gives no future meaning or no history meaning. Revelation is talking the here and now of each personal life otherwise it about you. Your life from the beginning of your life until the end of your life how you live your personal life?

I cannot wave a magic stick and unfold your life but tell how you can understand the book of Revelation. If you’re filled with pride, nothing I can say will help you to understand my simple words of truth but if your listen to me, I will try. Because I am just a man like you are a moral with limited love and a fool of fools.

Revelation 1 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

This is revelation of Jesus Christ otherwise the seed inside your heart which God gave unto him the one who die and rose again to make this seed possible in you, to show unto his servant things which must shortly to pass otherwise to show you the value of Christ the seed in you; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John otherwise he send the seed and signified it by his son the seed of Christ unto you his servant of truth and John is just the name of the person who reveal the truth.

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Who bare record of the word of God otherwise you are personal person that has sowed in your heart has God’s word, and of testimony of Jesus Christ otherwise the story of Jesus life on this earth and changed from death to life is truth that you have believe in your heart and all things that he saw otherwise the things you witness in your life that made it a truth.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophesy, and keep those things, which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Blessed is he that readiest otherwise the one is reading this book is blessed and they hears the words of this prophecy otherwise the person that hears spiritual the words of this book or revelation, and keep those things which are written therein otherwise the person keep in their heart the good news that was spoken in this book: for the time is at hand otherwise is now that you live this Book.

This more than a book and more than a saying you’re the person reading this prophesy of the spirit that lives in your heart. Because in your heart you have proven these things to be the truth that no man can say a thing to change your mind because in the heart is what you believe.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

John to the seven churches which are in Asia otherwise the seven kinds of people that are in yourself the body of Christ seed: Grace be unto you otherwise grace above in your heart, and peace otherwise peace of mind, from him which is otherwise from Christ is the seed, and which was, otherwise in God as seed of the son, and which is to come otherwise the return of yourself the birth of yourself the change you come out of that flesh; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne otherwise the seven personality of the inner self before Christ kingdom.

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

And from Jesus Christ otherwise by Jesus Christ we have our seed in us, who is the faithful witness, otherwise Christ Jesus was the witness and is the witness that we will get up, and begotten of the dead otherwise the first to rise from death, and the prince of the kings of the earth otherwise Christ is the king of kings the fleshly blood line of the earth. Unto him that loved us otherwise unto God whom love that he gave his son so we could live, and washed us from our sins in his own blood otherwise God wipe away our trespasses.

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father otherwise we are join heirs unto God’s kingdom of truth and Christ brothers in the seed; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever otherwise unto glory of God with sons ship rights for ever and ever. Amen otherwise the end.

The completion of an image of you’re that mirrors your hearts, which was written on your heart as we put it into our hearts as the word of truth. A note in you is heart that seals the seed, with believing of truth. I getting tired now so will finish later with love and a holy kiss Roy.

NOW TO DOWN TO CHAPTER 13

God first

Chapter 13 of Revelation!

03-04-2011

Here I sat as Christ gives every word I feel the truth coming of my words as I battle with things of this world. As I hear Christ more clearly as listen him with my heart hearing my heart the sounds of love. I am about to share more on Revelation then I will move to Hebrews for a time next.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

As I stand upon the sand near to the waters of truth I perceive a man-beast of the wild of holy water of truth having spiritual perfection of divine perfection which on each horn spiritual perfection of false truth. The man that I perceive was like unto leopard and his were solid surface as walking easy boldly and the man spoke the word of truth.

As Christ gave power over others of great authority and I perceive the man was wounded to death and Christ healed the man. As the world wonders after the man as they worship Christ the seed.

Christ the man was given power unto the man-beast as they the people who were of the world wonders worshiping the man saying who is like the Christ who can make war with the man. There was given unto the man truth great truths blasphemies and strength was unto the man the Antichrist is here.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Antichrist opened his mouth against God to comment the unforgivable sin his name above God’s name making God name nothing for this his kind. The Antichrist made war with rightness believers the saints. But then who only saw them self their personal the man personal view s as whole mankind shall worship the man.

But our names are written in the book of life and Christ was slain so we could live forever more from the foundations of life itself. If anyone hear let perceive the truth Christ leading into truth to free us the world of self we shall understand the truth as Christ kill with the word of truth that we must destroy all that come against us with the truth that we have hide. Here is patience that we have with faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

I perceive another man coming from below and double false truth and the man spoke hate as one of kind can. The man showed his powers and first man-beast one false truth make another false truth and caused the world great pain because worship the wrong image as the man-beast wound was healed.

And the man-beast did great wonders that he made hate come down unto the holy men of God in the sight of all watching. The man-beast deceived them who on the earth with ways that were false miracles that the man-beast had false strength in our self. The man-beast told his followers to make an image of his-self that was wounded by the word of truth.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The man-beast had make life again unto the image of man as the man-beast spoke of his-self and the man-beast cause to worship the over God. The man-beast has made all persons to the mark in their mind of right side.

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

No person that told us “you will not worship man-beast” which can purchase a false truth or sell a false truth unless the man-beast name was complete man-beast. Here is the truth that you have understood the complete man-beast is 666. Thank you with the love of God and a holy kiss from Roy and us.

Roy, is it? That's my name, too.

It's "in other words," not "otherwise." I puzzled with that for a while.

I was afraid you were going to take us through the whole book of Revelation verse by verse! LOL! I'm glad you limited yourself to those two chapters.

Try to avoid seeing everything as symbolic of something else. (Others who post here could take the same advice.) For instance, it's OKAY to see John as the Apostle John! He doesn't have to represent all of us as the "servant(s) of truth!" And, just read the Scriptures as though they were a person speaking to you. Jesus Himself gave these words to John to write. So, just enjoy them and don't overburden yourself with the myriad questions that may come. Let the SCRIPTURES themselves tell you the answers to the questions that are important, and let the others lie unanswered as questions that frankly AREN'T important and didn't deserve answers!

Be sure to read a version of the Bible you can accept as God's Truth and that you can easily understand. God's Word was written to be understood!

Remember, God is good, and He loves you and us, too. So, in all the tragedies found within the pages of this Revelation of Jesus Christ, it is a POSITIVE, VICTORIOUS book! In the dichotomous way of looking at the endings of plays, it's a COMEDY, not a TRAGEDY! It has a HAPPY ENDING, not a sad one!