From the Waco Tribune Herald....

[Gerioke]

The writer absolutely GETS it......I agree with every bit of this except the forced tubal ligation or contraceptive implants. That would just be wrong. How about the rest of you?

This was written by a 21 yrold female. It's her future

she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big

government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are

just common sense in her opinion.

This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco , TX , Nov 18, 2011

PUT ME IN CHARGE . . .

Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash

for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and

beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If

you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women

Norplant birth control implants or tubal legations. Then, we'll test

recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce

or use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military

barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair.

Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will

be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and

your own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week

or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the

roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we

find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and

your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common

good.."

Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all

of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before

you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "selfesteem,"

consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money

for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at

least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current

system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes,

that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You

will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a

Gov't welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.

Everything except the voting sounds logical. If a government oppresses a specific group, there isn't much chance for that group to attain justice without a legitimate voice. Israel comes to mind. With the majority of the world wanting to destroy her, she is stifled by the masses

[Guest shiloh357]

While it may be true that there are many who are using the system in place to freeload, I must side with the notion that God will rightly judge them and I should not.

So we should just let them continue on stacking one sin on top of another, wasting money that could and should go to the genuinely needy??? We are called to use wisdom adn your approach to judging is not only unbiblical, it is irresponsible. Letting people continue to defraud us and exploit our generosity is not "love" and it is not an appropriate response to the problem.

Instead, I should continue to prepare myself to present the gospel to these people who do these things as they need it badly. God forbid they end up before the judgment seat of Christ without having had the opportunity to repent of their evil and be saved.

That is a red herring. We are not talking about their salvation. Christians and nonChristians alike abuse the system because they are lazy and their laziness hurts the truly needy amounts to stealing resources needed for them.

What the OP presented was to administer extreme restrictions upon all who use the aid provided to get relief when things are not going so well.

You are wrong. What the OP presented was a commonsense answer to those who are using our tax money to spend on luxuries that many working people (whose tax money is being exploited) can't buy on their working wage. When people are buying high dollar food, HD TVs and other luxuries on the taxpayer' dime with money that is supposed to go to help the truly needy, it is time to turn off the spicket and make them get out and get a job. I don't mind helping someone who really needs the help but I am not about to stand for someone using my welfare tax dollars for xBox's iPhones, and other luxuries.

If someone is getting aid, they should not be living off steak and fillet mignon. They should not be getting frozen pizzas and donuts and soda pop. They should be limited to staple items, like milk, eggs, butter bread, rice, etc. Nothing irks me more than standing in line behind welfar and food stamp recipients while they are buying all kinds of good food while I am having to budget my money and have to settle for Ramen noodles or peanut butter and crackers. I would hate to have to face the tax paying cashier and let her check me out and then watch me pay for high dollar food with food stamps.

There is already an unimaginable amount of red tape that one has to go through to get help because someone thought it was the best way to stop abuse. Those who legitimately need the aid are continually burdened with greater burdens due to those who work the system. The words repeatedly spoken 'then get a job' in an economy that has seen unemployment soar into the double digits and is only coming down now due to those who are no longer being tracked because their benefits ran out, is a heart felt response?

Actually if you bother to read the OP, the point was, if you want the high dollar food, if you want the luxuries then get a job and pay for those things yourself. And yes I am sure she meant it as a heart-felt response. And she is right. We should not pay for people who want to work the system. They need to either use the money properly, or get a job. But they should be allowed to work the system.

Jesus broke bread with prostitutes, thieves, tax collector and every other kind of miscreant who walked the face of the earth for the purpose of saving their souls by turning them away from their sin. It was the wicked Pharisees who were calling for the stoning of the same sinners that Jesus was trying to save. The article mentioned is from a girl who has the hard heart of a Pharisee who needs to repent and follow Christ rather than throw stones at people, even those who are deliberately in the wrong. All such judging is evil and will bring the judgment of God upon those who judge others.

That is nothing but garbage. Comparing the author the pharisees is ridiculous. There is nothing pharisaical about expecting people to pay for luxuries and not work the system to get the tax payer to foot the bill for their unethical misuse of taxpayer money. Nowhere did the OP condemn the genuinely needy. You simply did not read the OP very carefully.

I am not telling you these things to try and shame you.

You don't have the power to shame me. So don't worry about it.

It is my heart that you get to see what kind of evil is being done here in response to perceived evil of others.

It's not a "perceived evil." It's called fraud and it is a very real evil and it needs to be stopped.

The proposed restrictions are an unnecessary evil to over burden the system worse than it is.

No, the proposed restriction would lessen the burden, as it removes mountains of waste and fraud from the system.

The day that I understood why Jesus said give to all that ask of you was a turning point in my own Christian life and by the grace of God I have been given a fleshly heart that gives, even unto my enemies.

Yeah, that needs to be understood in its context. Jesus is referring to the proper Christian spirit. We are to be givers, but at the same time this is not to be understood as a rule to be followd irrespective of circumstances. We are not commanded to give indiscriminately, especially when that type of giving would end up rewarding laziness. In fact, we have a countermand in Scripture:

For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. (2Th 3:7-10)

So the Bible instructs us to give to those in need, but we are to be wise and discriminate in our giving. We are not in the business of rewarding lazy people.

These heart conditions are rooted in covetousness and bitterness of those who Paul spoke of in Romans chapter 2 when he said therefore you are inexcusable when you judge others but do the same things. We, as Christians, can't afford to do that as when we do the unbelievers blaspheme the word of God on our behalf.

We are not judging anyone. You simply don't know how to apply the Scriptures properly to this issue. Sorry, but your position is wrong.

[MorningGlory]

Well, I think we should go back to the origional voting laws........ male land owners only can vote..... maybe include female land owners, but I'll have to ponder on that for a while......

[MorningGlory]

Ok, after pondering for a while and considering all (especially the chances that my wife might actually read this thread) I'm going for all land owners being able to vote.......... but not thier kids...... until they leave home and buy their own land....

Now that's more reasonable but it would mean that no renters could vote. Taxation without being able to vote....nah; we fought a war over that one, O.O.

[nebula]

Ok, after pondering for a while and considering all (especially the chances that my wife might actually read this thread) I'm going for all land owners being able to vote.......... but not thier kids...... until they leave home and buy their own land....

What about people who rent apartments?

What they should do, I think, is require people to pass a test to show that they have a clue about the government, how it works, and such.

And no, that doesn't discriminate against any race, age, nor gender. With the resources we have available, anyone who wants to vote has plenty of opportunity to learn.

[jasoncran]

so what about this? a married couple has three children. one of the parents dies and the mother cant work and raise her kids without govt assistance but cant be helped by her family. imagine a lot of these types and the church cant do it all.

yes i think the church should help when it can after the family.

BUT I AM A SOLDIER OF THE US ARMED SERVICES. IF I DIE YOU WOULD THEN BY THESE STATEMENTS CONDEMN my disable wife and daughter whom has made mistakes to that! im the bread winner, reality i may not make it back and they may be ok as i can say that the house would be owned but they have medical needs and the grandkids are with me as well. people make mistakes.

what if it was you as a parent and your spouse leaves and doesnt pay his or her dues. so you go the church for assistance to get what that spouse should be paying and or if the govt you cant have a life?

i agree that many do abuse the system but not all.my daughter is one of these. she has looked for work since came here to live with and has been assisted by the govt to go to school. she also is doing this around the house. she is by no means lazy. but she has had kids in sin. so you suggest that they should be treated like that?

[Guest shiloh357]

so what about this? a married couple has three children. one of the parents dies and the mother cant work and raise her kids without govt assistance but cant be helped by her family. imagine a lot of these types and the church cant do it all.

yes i think the church should help when it can after the family.

BUT I AM A SOLDIER OF THE US ARMED SERVICES. IF I DIE YOU WOULD THEN BY THESE STATEMENTS CONDEMN my disable wife and daughter whom has made mistakes to that! im the bread winner, reality i may not make it back and they may be ok as i can say that the house would be owned but they have medical needs and the grandkids are with me as well. people make mistakes.

what if it was you as a parent and your spouse leaves and doesnt pay his or her dues. so you go the church for assistance to get what that spouse should be paying and or if the govt you cant have a life?

i agree that many do abuse the system but not all.my daughter is one of these. she has looked for work since came here to live with and has been assisted by the govt to go to school. she also is doing this around the house. she is by no means lazy. but she has had kids in sin. so you suggest that they should be treated like that?

Jason pay attention. I am talking about able-bodied people who can work who game the system so they don't have to work. I am talking about people who take government aid to buy HD TVs and live on steak and shrimp, while working people scrape by just to pay for the necessities and that is what the OP is talking about too. Is that simple enough??

[jasoncran]

so what about this? a married couple has three children. one of the parents dies and the mother cant work and raise her kids without govt assistance but cant be helped by her family. imagine a lot of these types and the church cant do it all.

yes i think the church should help when it can after the family.

BUT I AM A SOLDIER OF THE US ARMED SERVICES. IF I DIE YOU WOULD THEN BY THESE STATEMENTS CONDEMN my disable wife and daughter whom has made mistakes to that! im the bread winner, reality i may not make it back and they may be ok as i can say that the house would be owned but they have medical needs and the grandkids are with me as well. people make mistakes.

what if it was you as a parent and your spouse leaves and doesnt pay his or her dues. so you go the church for assistance to get what that spouse should be paying and or if the govt you cant have a life?

i agree that many do abuse the system but not all.my daughter is one of these. she has looked for work since came here to live with and has been assisted by the govt to go to school. she also is doing this around the house. she is by no means lazy. but she has had kids in sin. so you suggest that they should be treated like that?

Jason pay attention. I am talking about able-bodied people who can work who game the system so they don't have to work. I am talking about people who take government aid to buy HD TVs and live on steak and shrimp, while working people scrape by just to pay for the necessities and that is what the OP is talking about too. Is that simple enough??

no you arent.

what is unemployment? its considered what is called tanf in my state.

so one can be unemployed and be on tanf that is a broad brush the girl stated. i know one couple who work hard and have fids kids and are on tanf.they get medicaid for their kids.

so dont assume that the govt is the efficient in making a disctintion tween them and those you say. they dont they will make it hard for them all. try going on ssi or ssd and apply for disablity.

so you all dont mind the govt level of intrusion all americans lives? for example. let say a couple live in sin and they have kids what then? a limit on how much you should make ere kids in law? the best way to deal with tanf is to teach and return godly morals.

http://www.tanf.us/florida.html

Florida TANF Program Applications - Florida

Florida TANF Benefits There is a maximum of 60 months of TANF assistance benefits within one's lifetimes. There is oftentimes a differentiation between adults and children. If you are a child and receive TANF benefits, depending on your State, you could receive another 60 months as an adult.

Florida TANF Eligiblity Requirements

- You must be a US Citizen.

- Children must be citizens or have eligible alien status.

- You must have a social security number.

- Your family must earn less than a certain amount of money per month

- Children must be 18 years old or younger. If you are older than 18, you must be a full time student with an expected graduation date before the age of 20. - Families must have a child under 18 living in the home.

- Pregnant women are eligible for TANF during the month before their due date. So, if they are due 2/28 they could apply 1/1. If they were due 8/2 they could apply 7/1.

Florida TANF Food Stamps

The food stamp program is a federal program run by state and local agencies. The food stamp program is for low income families only. In most states, food stamp rules are the TANF rules. If you meet the requirements for TANF, you meet the requirements for food stamps.

Other Florida resources to try out:

- Free Dental Clinics - Check out this great directory of Florida free dental clinics. www.FreeDentalCare.us - Free Florida Dental Clinics.

- Transitional Housing: If you are looking for Transitional Housing in Florida, try out www.TransitionalHousingFinder.com - Florida Transitional Housing.

- Out Reach Centers: Find Outreach Centers in Florida. Check out www.OutReachCenters.net - Florida OutReach.

- Free Medical Clinics - Check out this great directory of Florida free medical clinics. www.FreeMedicalSearch.org - Free Florida Medical Clinics.

More Helpful TANF Assistance Information

To be eligible, families must meet both financial and non-financial requirements established in state law. In general, families must include a child (or a pregnant woman) and be residents of Florida. Children under age 5 must be current with childhood immunizations and children age 6 to 18 must attend school and parents or caretakers must participate in school conferences.

Countable assets must be $2,000 or less and licensed vehicles needed for individuals subject to the work requirement may not exceed $8,500.

Work requirements: Adults in families receiving cash assistance must work or participate in work related activities for a specified number of hours per week depending on the number of work-eligible adults in the family and the age of children.

Type of Family

Work participation Hours Required

Single parents with a child under age 6

20 hours weekly in core work activities.

Other single parent families or two-parent families where one parent is disabled 30 hours weekly with at least 20 hours in core activities.

Married teen or teen head of household under age 20.

Maintains satisfactory attendance at secondary school or the equivalent or participates in education related to employment for at least 20 hours weekly.

Two-parent families who do not receive subsidized child care 35 hours per week (total among both parents) with at least 30 hours in core activities.

Two-parent families who receive subsidized child care 55 hours per week with at least 50 hours in core activities

Work Activities: Federal law includes 12 work activities. 9 of the activities are 'core' activities in that they may be used to satisfy any of the average weekly participation requirements. The other 3 activities are 'supplemental' in that they may only be used to satisfy the work activity requirement after the 'core' requirement is met.

Core Activities

1. Unsubsidized employment

2. Subsidized private sector employment

3. Subsidized public sector employment

4. Job search and job readiness (limited to not more than 6 weeks in a federal fiscal year with not more than 4 weeks consecutive).

5. Community service

6. Work experience

7. On-the-job training

8. Vocational educational training (limited to 12 months for an individual), and

9. Caring for a child of a recipient in community service

Supplemental Activities

10. Job skills training directly related to employment

11. Education directly related to employment (for those without a high school or equivalent degree)

12. Completion of a secondary school program

The work activity requirement applies to families with one or more adults in the assistance group. The requirement also applies to families where the adult has been sanctioned due to non-compliance with work requirements but the assistance has been continued to the children under a special hardship provision of state law.

'Child-only' families where the child lives with a relative and the needs of the relative are not included in the calculation of the benefit are not subject to the work requirement. In addition, adults who are not included in the calculation of the TANF benefit because they receive federal Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits or because they are ineligible non-citizens are not subject to the work requirement.

The Department of Children and Families, ACCESS Florida Program has several programs that can help Florida families. They include, Food Assistance, Temporary Cash Assistance, Medicaid and Refugee Assistance.

Each of these programs has its own eligibility rules, but you may apply for any (or all) of these programs at one time using the same application.

See the website www.dcf.state.fl.us, for full details on these programs.

Other helpful Florida programs:

The Food Assistance Program helps people with low-income, buy healthy food. A food assistance household is normally a group of people who live together and buy food and cook meals together. If your household passes the Food Assistance Program\'s eligibility rules, the amount of food assistance benefits you get depends on the number of people in your household and how much money is left after certain expenses are subtracted.

Individuals must pass all eligibility rules to get food assistance benefits. Some of the eligibility rules are:

1. Identity - Individuals must show proof they are the person they claim to be. Applicants must provide proof of their identity.

2. Work Rules - Healthy adults, 18 to 50 years of age, who do not have dependent children or are not pregnant, can only get food assistance benefits for 3 months in a 3-year period, if they are not working or participating in a work or workfare program.

3. Income and Deductions - Most households must pass a gross income limit at 200% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). Households with a member disqualified for breaking Food Assistance Program rules, felony drug trafficking, running away from a felony warrant, or not participating in a work program must meet a gross income test at 130% of the FPL. Households with or without a disqualified member must have net income less than 100% of the FPL. Households with people who are, age 60 or older or disabled must only meet the net monthly income limit. Some household expenses may be subtracted from the total monthly income in the food assistance budget. The budget may subtract for shelter expenses, dependent care, medical, child support paid, standard deductions, and earnings.

4. Residency - Individuals must live in the state of Florida.

5. Citizenship - Individuals must be a U.S. citizen or have a qualified noncitizen status.

6. SSN - Individuals must provide a Social Security Number or proof they have applied for one.

7. Child Support cooperation - Certain individuals must cooperate with the state\'s child support enforcement agency to prove a child\'s legal relationship to their parent and to get the court to order child support payments.

8. Assets - Most food assistance households may have assets such as vehicles, bank accounts, or property and still get help. Households with a disqualified member must meet an asset limit of $2000 or $3000 (if the household contains an elderly or disabled member).

Ineligibility Reasons:

People who are convicted of drug trafficking, who are running away from a felony warrant, who break Food Assistance Program rules on purpose, who are noncitizens without a qualified status, and some students in colleges or universities are not eligible for food assistance benefits.

Foods You Can Buy With Food Assistance Benefits

Households can use food assistance benefits to buy breads, cereals, fruits, vegetables, meats, fish, poultry, dairy, and plants and seeds to grow food for your household to eat. Households cannot use food assistance benefits to buy nonfood items such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, household supplies, grooming items, alcoholic beverages, tobacco, vitamins, medicines, food to eat in the store, or hot foods.

Temporary Cash Assistance (TCA)

The TCA program provides cash assistance to families with children under the age of 18 or under age 19 if full time secondary (high school) school students, that meet the technical, income, and asset requirements. The program helps families become self-supporting while allowing children to remain in their own homes. Pregnant women may also receive TCA, either in the third trimester of pregnancy if unable to work, or in the 9th month of pregnancy. Parents, children and minor siblings who live together must apply together.

Eligibility Rules

A person must pass all eligibility rules to get TCA benefits. Some of the eligibility rules are:

1. Time Limits - Cash assistance is limited to a lifetime total of 48 months as an adult (except for child only cases, which have no time limit).

2. Work Rules - Some people must participate in work activities unless they meet an exemption. Regional Workforce Boards provide work activities and services needed to get or keep a job.

3. Income and Deductions - Gross income must be less than 185% of the Federal Poverty level and countable income can�t be higher than the payment standard for the family size. Individuals get a $90 deduction from their gross earned income. Individuals receiving benefits also get an additional earned income deduction as an incentive to get and keep a job.

4. Citizenship - Individuals must be U.S. citizens or qualified non-citizens.

5. Residency - Individuals must live in the state of Florida.

6. SSN - Individuals must provide a Social Security Number or proof they have applied for one.

7. Assets - A family\'s countable assets must be equal to or less than $2,000. Licensed vehicles needed for individuals subject to the work requirement may not exceed a combined value of $8,500.

8. Relationship - A child must be living in the home maintained by a parent or a relative who is a blood relative of the child.

9. Child Support Cooperation - The parent or the caretaker relative of the children must cooperate with child support enforcement to identify and locate the parent(s) who do not live in the child\'s home, to prove a child\'s legal relationship to their parent and to get the court to order child support payments.

10. Immunization - Children under age 5 must be up to date with childhood immunizations (shots).

11 Learnfare - Children age 6 to 18 must attend school and parents/caretakers must attend school conferences

my daughter has been subject to some of that, before she went to get the grant for school, she had to attend a poverty class. so whose job is it to teach morals? the govt or the church. if so then why shouldnt the goverment do this above which btw is what the lady says in part. the govt can make persons moral or want to change for the better only god can. im all for making it hard but we cant be so broad here. the church is what my friend calls the laodicean church in america. look around and ask your pastor out the flock how many give then put the blame where it lie! THE CHURCH.

IM ALL FOR reasonable laws in the manner but she didnt make it clear. i prefer the church after the family if they are able then the govt. but we cant make men moral. lets be real if a man or woman is a piece of dirt they will be a hindrance to the country. either they will cost us in jailing or tanf either way we pay.

[Guest shiloh357]

shiloh357, on 02 March 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

jasoncran, on 02 March 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

so what about this? a married couple has three children. one of the parents dies and the mother cant work and raise her kids without govt assistance but cant be helped by her family. imagine a lot of these types and the church cant do it all.

yes i think the church should help when it can after the family.

BUT I AM A SOLDIER OF THE US ARMED SERVICES. IF I DIE YOU WOULD THEN BY THESE STATEMENTS CONDEMN my disable wife and daughter whom has made mistakes to that! im the bread winner, reality i may not make it back and they may be ok as i can say that the house would be owned but they have medical needs and the grandkids are with me as well. people make mistakes.

what if it was you as a parent and your spouse leaves and doesnt pay his or her dues. so you go the church for assistance to get what that spouse should be paying and or if the govt you cant have a life?

i agree that many do abuse the system but not all.my daughter is one of these. she has looked for work since came here to live with and has been assisted by the govt to go to school. she also is doing this around the house. she is by no means lazy. but she has had kids in sin. so you suggest that they should be treated like that?

Jason pay attention. I am talking about able-bodied people who can work who game the system so they don't have to work. I am talking about people who take government aid to buy HD TVs and live on steak and shrimp, while working people scrape by just to pay for the necessities and that is what the OP is talking about too. Is that simple enough??

no you arent.

Yes I am . I am not disparaging genuinely needy people who need assistance. There is NOTHING in what I said that you can find that says otherwise. You simply are not willing to admit that you didn't read my comments well enough. I don't think I can make it any clearer. I am talking about people who abuse the system. Sorry but you are wrong about what I said.

[jasoncran]

shiloh357, on 02 March 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

jasoncran, on 02 March 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

so what about this? a married couple has three children. one of the parents dies and the mother cant work and raise her kids without govt assistance but cant be helped by her family. imagine a lot of these types and the church cant do it all.

yes i think the church should help when it can after the family.

BUT I AM A SOLDIER OF THE US ARMED SERVICES. IF I DIE YOU WOULD THEN BY THESE STATEMENTS CONDEMN my disable wife and daughter whom has made mistakes to that! im the bread winner, reality i may not make it back and they may be ok as i can say that the house would be owned but they have medical needs and the grandkids are with me as well. people make mistakes.

what if it was you as a parent and your spouse leaves and doesnt pay his or her dues. so you go the church for assistance to get what that spouse should be paying and or if the govt you cant have a life?

i agree that many do abuse the system but not all.my daughter is one of these. she has looked for work since came here to live with and has been assisted by the govt to go to school. she also is doing this around the house. she is by no means lazy. but she has had kids in sin. so you suggest that they should be treated like that?

Jason pay attention. I am talking about able-bodied people who can work who game the system so they don't have to work. I am talking about people who take government aid to buy HD TVs and live on steak and shrimp, while working people scrape by just to pay for the necessities and that is what the OP is talking about too. Is that simple enough??

no you arent.

Yes I am . I am not disparaging genuinely needy people who need assistance. There is NOTHING in what I said that you can find that says otherwise. You simply are not willing to admit that you didn't read my comments well enough. I don't think I can make it any clearer. I am talking about people who abuse the system. Sorry but you are wrong about what I said.

so when i loose my job and cant find work.

i look but nothing how will you propose the govt doesnt (as they do already) with ssi.

with ssi in general you are denied any medical treatment and also funds till they approve you and that is either done in court, after three tries you may sue them in court. so while you think that you will only get the abusers you will also make it hard on them that do need it.

so like or not that will happen. the rotten apples make it bad for it all.

with unemployment you propose that they be made to work on the streets and take govt jobs as in road maintanance? trust me if i loose on my incomes i will be looking and not wasting time. the govt wont make a distinction at all. it doesnt for ssi and it wont here. that is fact that must state.

so how many do you know are on tanf that do this or is it those that appear that way. sure their some that abuse but that list there in my state is a fact. my step daughter pays me rent and buys the food and she can only use the tanf card on those things. so that list nor statement has been included by law.