Islam in America

[Oh Hamburgers!]

OK, new upload.

I would be interested in what you think after seeing it.

It looks like a bunch of fundamental muslims held a non-violent protest march.

The lady in red argued with a muslim woman about clothing, argued with a muslim man about respecting the law of the land when not in an Islamic country (although they were due to freedom of speech & peaceful assembly..not sure what the laws are exactly in Britain but in the US that would have been perfectly legal).

The lady in red argued with another muslim man and was told she would go to hell unless she changed. Although if the roles were reversed isn't that exactly what a fundamentalist christian would say about a muslim? That's what they believe, it makes sense he would say that.

I was expecting the woman to get harassed or attacked in some way because you wanted me to see the video, but that never happened (which is always possible when a bunch of angry people are together, regardless of religion).

So basically I didn't see much except a bunch of people with beliefs I don't have express them on the streets.

that link says most of the islamic countries are based on the sharia law.

You had made the claim that Islam can't exist without Sharia law, and my point was that there are many countries that do not have Sharia law implemented yet are predominantly muslim. Or is there an exception to the rule?

[jasoncran]

they are forced to. that is obvious but they always vote in.case in point the dictators we put over them in some of those nations and its based on Islamic law in all that is listed. none said no influence from sharia.

they vote in sharia all the time. it happened in iraq.afghanistan and lybia and now egypt.

or do you really think that a christian is free to be a christian in those countries?

[Oh Hamburgers!]

I can just say, "That wasn't true when you said it the first time and it's not true now." All it really does is show how little you know about Islam and that you don't read my posts.

Do the whole ten part class I posted earlier and then come back and we'll discuss it....... quoting things out of Wiki that CAIR wrote or edited is really not a good idea.

You are starting to sound like the Islamic's I've talked with over the years.

is·lam/isˈläm/

Noun:

• The religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.
  
• The Muslim world.
  

It's a religion. It can also be ingrained in a culture, but it's a religion, I don't see how there could be debate on that subject.

I already said that I read the first 3 of your links and stopped (for reasons I've also already stated). I appreciate you providing the materials but simply because you provided someone's thoughts on Islam and I don't agree with them doesn't mean I don't know anything about Islam. We have different opinions about it, that's all.

[other one]

I can just say, "That wasn't true when you said it the first time and it's not true now." All it really does is show how little you know about Islam and that you don't read my posts.

Do the whole ten part class I posted earlier and then come back and we'll discuss it....... quoting things out of Wiki that CAIR wrote or edited is really not a good idea.

You are starting to sound like the Islamic's I've talked with over the years.

is·lam/isˈläm/

Noun:

• The religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.
  
• The Muslim world.
  

It's a religion. It can also be ingrained in a culture, but it's a religion, I don't see how there could be debate on that subject.

I already said that I read the first 3 of your links and stopped (for reasons I've also already stated). I appreciate you providing the materials but simply because you provided someone's thoughts on Islam and I don't agree with them doesn't mean I don't know anything about Islam. We have different opinions about it, that's all.

remarkable........ ********* stomps his dirty feet and walks away**********

[OneLight]

I can just say, "That wasn't true when you said it the first time and it's not true now." All it really does is show how little you know about Islam and that you don't read my posts.

Do the whole ten part class I posted earlier and then come back and we'll discuss it....... quoting things out of Wiki that CAIR wrote or edited is really not a good idea.

You are starting to sound like the Islamic's I've talked with over the years.

is·lam/isˈläm/

Noun:

• The religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.
  
• The Muslim world.
  

It's a religion. It can also be ingrained in a culture, but it's a religion, I don't see how there could be debate on that subject.

I already said that I read the first 3 of your links and stopped (for reasons I've also already stated). I appreciate you providing the materials but simply because you provided someone's thoughts on Islam and I don't agree with them doesn't mean I don't know anything about Islam. We have different opinions about it, that's all.

Well, Brother, when Sharia Law is brought to your life through the moderate Muslims, remember to come back to this post and tell yourself it just ain't happening.

You may find this interesting, since you won't take our word for it ... The Basics of the Political System in Islam (part 1 of 2): Islam a Total Way of Life ... it is in their own words.

[Oh Hamburgers!]

Well, Brother, when Sharia Law is brought to your life through the moderate Muslims, remember to come back to this post and tell yourself it just ain't happening.

You may find this interesting, since you won't take our word for it ... The Basics of the Political System in Islam (part 1 of 2): Islam a Total Way of Life ... it is in their own words.

The Vision of an Islamic State

The vision of an Islamic state and the purpose of its political authority is to implement the divine law. Thus, the ideal Islamic state is a community governed by the Law revealed by God. This does not entail that such a state is necessarily a theocracy under direct rule of the learned men of religion, nor is it an autocracy that vests absolute power in the ruler. The function of the Islamic state is to provide security and order so that Muslims can carry out both their religious and worldly duties. The Caliph[2] is the guardian of faith and the community. His role is not so much checked by the ulama (religious scholars), but enhanced by them because they provide him religious and legal counsel. He also appoints judges who resolve disputes in accordance with Islamic Law. There is a certain level of flexibility in regards to the system of governance and its establishment in Islam, however, religion must be implemented fully into state and society.

While most Muslims wish for greater political participation, the rule of law, government accountability, freedoms, and human rights, there are many different ways to achieve these goals. To some, Islam has its own mechanisms which preclude democratic institutions. Still others contend that Islam is fully capable of accommodating and supporting democratic institutions. Engaging in a process of reform, they argue the compatibility between Islam and certain types of ‘democracy’ by using traditional Islamic concepts like consultation (shura) between the ruler and the ruled, community consensus (ijma), public interest (maslaha), and scriptural based opinion (ijtihad). These mechanisms can be used to support forms of government with systems of checks and balances among the executive, legislative, and judiciary branches. However, rulers of authoritarian states tend to ignore, discourage, or suppress democratic institutions.

These are a few encouraging excerpts that show Islam having the ability to be compatible with the American way of life. If any muslims choose to defy the laws in place they should be charged for a crime just like anyone else.

As I said before I'm not interested in defending everything about Islam; I'm no muslim and I don't plan on becoming one anytime soon, nor do I think they are all peace-loving and completely ambivalent to different creeds. However (as I also said before) I think there is a lot more flexibility among your average muslim than many of you try to make them out to be.

[ayin jade]

Take a trip to Detroit and see how they live there. It is on the verge of becoming a sharia city.

[Rare Bird]

Here's a running list of attacks made by the religion on "peace", in addition to all sorts of stories the lame-stream media fails to keep us updated on:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

[OneLight]

Well, Brother, when Sharia Law is brought to your life through the moderate Muslims, remember to come back to this post and tell yourself it just ain't happening.

You may find this interesting, since you won't take our word for it ... The Basics of the Political System in Islam (part 1 of 2): Islam a Total Way of Life ... it is in their own words.

The Vision of an Islamic State

The vision of an Islamic state and the purpose of its political authority is to implement the divine law. Thus, the ideal Islamic state is a community governed by the Law revealed by God. This does not entail that such a state is necessarily a theocracy under direct rule of the learned men of religion, nor is it an autocracy that vests absolute power in the ruler. The function of the Islamic state is to provide security and order so that Muslims can carry out both their religious and worldly duties. The Caliph[2] is the guardian of faith and the community. His role is not so much checked by the ulama (religious scholars), but enhanced by them because they provide him religious and legal counsel. He also appoints judges who resolve disputes in accordance with Islamic Law. There is a certain level of flexibility in regards to the system of governance and its establishment in Islam, however, religion must be implemented fully into state and society.

While most Muslims wish for greater political participation, the rule of law, government accountability, freedoms, and human rights, there are many different ways to achieve these goals. To some, Islam has its own mechanisms which preclude democratic institutions. Still others contend that Islam is fully capable of accommodating and supporting democratic institutions. Engaging in a process of reform, they argue the compatibility between Islam and certain types of ‘democracy’ by using traditional Islamic concepts like consultation (shura) between the ruler and the ruled, community consensus (ijma), public interest (maslaha), and scriptural based opinion (ijtihad). These mechanisms can be used to support forms of government with systems of checks and balances among the executive, legislative, and judiciary branches. However, rulers of authoritarian states tend to ignore, discourage, or suppress democratic institutions.

These are a few encouraging excerpts that show Islam having the ability to be compatible with the American way of life. If any muslims choose to defy the laws in place they should be charged for a crime just like anyone else.

As I said before I'm not interested in defending everything about Islam; I'm no muslim and I don't plan on becoming one anytime soon, nor do I think they are all peace-loving and completely ambivalent to different creeds. However (as I also said before) I think there is a lot more flexibility among your average muslim than many of you try to make them out to be.

If it ever came to having to choose between Sharia Law or not if the moderates were confronted by those who want it, which way do you feel they would fall? Do you really believe that they would turn from their Faith? Would you turn from yours?

[other one]

Here's a running list of attacks made by the religion on "peace", in addition to all sorts of stories the lame-stream media fails to keep us updated on:

http://www.thereligi...ex.html#Attacks

Informative....