tongues

[Sevenseas]

Hi stan, and sevenseas,

Change the subject all you want I can still focus on the point.

The point being (for those who need help) is there are many people of different beliefs and there are those who make a mockery out of God.

The videos are one proof of people making a mockery out of God.

The proof of different beliefs lie in the following,

When I was a roman catholic charismatic I went to the meeting along with other roman catholic charismatics who also spoke in tongues also. Most prayed to mary almost exclusively. Mary received most of their worship by their adoration and the way they talked.

So you can act ignorant of these things which would make me conclude that you guys are not very observant or that you are just ignoring the facts.

The question I have then is, the behavior that the videos showed of your groups, is that acceptable to you guys/girls. If it is then all I have to say is that you guys/girls are the ones with the problem

Did you mention my name? You can't control other people in how they post or what they say.

Your experience sounds off the wall. That, would be YOUR problem...not anyone elses'

[Sevenseas]

There are videos there not just words. Hence evidence.

As far as your opinion of me it just shows your inability to respond to me with evidence instead of just opinions, yours and others I assume.

[Fez]

So you can act ignorant of these things which would make me conclude that you guys are not very observant or that you are just ignoring the facts.

The question I have then is, the behavior that the videos showed of your groups, is that acceptable to you guys/girls. If it is then all I have to say is that you guys/girls are the ones with the problem

Grace

[asper]

Asper

There are videos there not just words. Hence evidence.

As far as your opinion of me it just shows your inability to respond to me with evidence instead of just opinions, yours and others I assume.

from a scientific perspective, any "Evidence" that claims to be found has to do so without an agenda. The video's posted have a agenda against a certain group of people. So, all their evidence becomes worthless in proving anything. They would have no ability in themselves to look for opposite evidence. That makes them fools.

Acai Berry is a very awesome fruit. It has shown at the university of Florida to actually kill cancer cells. That is evidence. Claims that it can help you lose weight, and kill cancer in your body. Make you super healthy, is only claims by many of those that exploit this berry to make money. They have an agenda, so any claim is foolish.

Is the berry healthy for you? Yes. Are there other things that are cheaper and just as powerful in antioxidants then the expensive Acai Berry? YES!!!!!

Junk evidence will not point that out however, because the Agenda is in the way.

The video's mean nothing except to let us know there are still foolish, and ignorant people around who have nothing better to do.

Jesus Is Lord.

Hi mike,

I think you are mistaken with your definition

ev·i·dence

 

 /ˈɛvɪdəns/ Show Spelled [ev-i-duhns] Show IPA noun, verb, ev·i·denced, ev·i·denc·ing.

noun

1.

that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.

2.

something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.

3.

Law . data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.

from dictionary.com

Edited July 19, 2012 by asper

[asper]

Hi stan, and sevenseas,

Change the subject all you want I can still focus on the point.

The point being (for those who need help) is there are many people of different beliefs and there are those who make a mockery out of God.

The videos are one proof of people making a mockery out of God.

The proof of different beliefs lie in the following,

When I was a roman catholic charismatic I went to the meeting along with other roman catholic charismatics who also spoke in tongues also. Most prayed to mary almost exclusively. Mary received most of their worship by their adoration and the way they talked.

So you can act ignorant of these things which would make me conclude that you guys are not very observant or that you are just ignoring the facts.

The question I have then is, the behavior that the videos showed of your groups, is that acceptable to you guys/girls. If it is then all I have to say is that you guys/girls are the ones with the problem

Did you mention my name? You can't control other people in how they post or what they say.

Your experience sounds off the wall. That, would be YOUR problem...not anyone elses'

ok then...

[asper]

So you can act ignorant of these things which would make me conclude that you guys are not very observant or that you are just ignoring the facts.

The question I have then is, the behavior that the videos showed of your groups, is that acceptable to you guys/girls. If it is then all I have to say is that you guys/girls are the ones with the problem

Grace

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

[asper]

asper

Hi mike,

I think you are mistaken with your definition

What I think is that we need to be honest. There was a scientific study done on tongues, hosted by all people ABC News. In that study of all different types of tongues, it was the "Charismatic" Group that "Claimed" To be filled with the Holy Spirit that produced brain wave patterns not found in any type of religious Tongues. It showed them that at least, something was very strange and different about it, while all the others languages tested the same brain responses.

This was a study done for a Network that on the most part could care less about God. It makes it more valid. It was done by scientist that did not believe one way or the other, they really set out to prove it's all the same.

Your posted video is done by a group that is against those that speak in tongues.

Now I know you can be honest, and see that for what it is............... It makes it not even worth looking at.

There is a reason for Jury selection. They attempt.......... "Should attempt" to get the most unbiased people possible. That is just how it works, or should work. Biased means false judgement.

I tried to explain it as simple as possible, if you still don't agree, then at least try to see what I am looking at.

Jesus Is Lord.

hi mike,

when you jump to jurry selection that is where you go wrong.

evidence is presented to the jury from whatever source and then they would determine if the evidence was creditable.

someone saying something about someone is not evidence.

let's say someone who doesn't like police officers takes a film of police brutality the evidence is still submitted. why? because it is on film. it really doesn't matter the opinion of the one taking the film.

i am being honest. don't you see what i am saying?

[asper]

asper

let's say someone who doesn't like police officers takes a film of police brutality the evidence is still submitted. why? because it is on film. it really doesn't matter the opinion of the one taking the film.

i am being honest. don't you see what i am saying?

Absolutely, I do see your point. The evidence on video would be valid. Even if the person liked the police or not.

Do we use the video to prove that All police are bad though?

Or

Do we use the video to see a problem with better training, and weeding out bad police, where the whole is valid with some things needing fixed?

Jesus Is Lord.

i see the problem,

you think that i see all tongue speakers as bad. that is not the case.

the second thing that you are assuming is that i am trying to prove tongues don't exist today. that is not the case either. all i want is some honest discussion about the evidence for or against certain topics. if i did want to disprove tongues exist today i would certainly be alot more aggresive and persistant in my amount of posts and information provided.

what i don't like about some of the (some) posters here is that they use common cult practices to silence thier (supposed enemy) challenger.

Character assassination,

Peer pressure,

Denial (that’s not what it means or your conclusions are crazy)

Surprise (you believe what!)

Presentation of opinions instead of facts (making themselves the authority)

And so on.

so perhaps you can see my point.

[asper]

On 7/19/2012 at 6:45 PM, Brother Mike said:

Asper:

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i see the problem,

you think that i see all tongue speakers as bad. that is not the case.

I think then that others are connecting you to that video and assume that is your position. Sort of a human thing to do.

 

I put the - there to avoid the big video popping on screen.

That is ABC Nightline. I find it more objective.

Have fun.

Jesus Is Lord.

hi mike,

let's go to the main event first.

they said that it did not valadate the claims of tongue speaking. even (i guess the pastor) the one believer said the same thing.

further tests have to be done evidently in the area of thinking before you speak as opposed to not thinking before you speak.

i wonder what would show up if you were singing a song you knew very well and did not have to think about it when singing.

other point, i cannot bring myself to care about other people's opinions and actions.i have more important things to do..

Galatians 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[OldShep]

Great!!! so.............. I don't have a conclusion or start of a conclusion to the thread. Any thoughts?

Jesus Is Lord.

Yes I have thoughts....Here is a picture of what I think this subject brings out in man:

ICL~~~Dennis.