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Yes, jesus went to Hades to reveal Himself as Messiah to those who believed under the Old Covenant and were awaiting their Messiah, and to lead them out to Heaven.

He did not go to Hell, that place of suffering, whose gates are not open until Judgment Day.


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And in 1 Peter 3:18-20 we’re told that by the power of the Holy Spirit He preached to the disobedient spirits imprisoned there,

so He must have visited the other side of Hades as well. But it was not for the purpose of suffering. It was for the purpose of

reminding them that their punishment was just and well deserved.

I am not necessarily convinced of this as the entire

place (hades and Paradise) was with disobedient! Hades was filled with those who agreed with the life of sin... but Paradise

was filled from those who looked for deliverance from sin! So it very well could be from Paradise side this speaks!

Love, Steven


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Who says that Jesus descended into hell?

The First Peter scripture doesn't say that either.

P.S. The original Apostles Creed say's nothing about Him descending into hell.

Well perhaps a better question- where did He go then? For when He arose He said He had not ascended unto the Father yet! So what is left? Love, Steven

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So Jesus was alive when he died ??????

so he never died ????

so nobody never really dies ???

What was the purpose of the resurrection in Matthew 27:52-53 ???? if Jesus already talked to them in the spirit Hell house.


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So Jesus was alive when he died ??????

so he never died ????

so nobody never really dies ???

What was the purpose of the resurrection in Matthew 27:52-53 ???? if Jesus already talked to them in the spirit Hell house.

Of course, Jesus' body was dead until He rose again, but He, as all of us who know Him never die spiritually. One day we will all be given new bodies like His!

What happened in Matthew 27:52-53 has nothing to do with Jesus revealing Himself as the awaited Messiah to the probably thousands of OT saints who had lived and died believing in their coming Saviour.


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Who says that Jesus descended into hell?

The First Peter scripture doesn't say that either.

P.S. The original Apostles Creed say's nothing about Him descending into hell.

Well perhaps a better question- where did He go then? For when He arose He said He had not ascended unto the Father yet! So what is left? Love, Steven

There are several references to heaven and the levels thereof.

Mind you scripture records that He came down from heaven and that He descended;

Eph 4:9

(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:10

He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

It depends on how you translate this in contrast to where He ascended dear brother.

Speaking to the Spirits awaiting salvation in Hades is completely dissimilar to hell and to assume that satan dwells in hell with tormented souls at this stage is merely not biblical. Scripture is quite clear, although defeated, he is still the prince of this world and not yet bound in hell.

Christ did not descend to hell and neither was He tormented.

Paul may merely be acknowledging the earth as "the lower parts" in contrast to the heavens from which he descended.

Peter is not speaking of Him descending into hell in the slightest. He is speaking of the Spirit which testified through Noah to the spirits, whom were bound, while Noah walked out his Salvation.

Even if He did descend into the nether regions. We should not base Doctrine on it. It leads us astray as the point of Peter and Puals dissertations on the subject is not punishment, but Christ's victory!

Peace,

Dave


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So Jesus was alive when he died ??????

so he never died ????

so nobody never really dies ???

What was the purpose of the resurrection in Matthew 27:52-53 ???? if Jesus already talked to them in the spirit Hell house.

Of course, Jesus' body was dead until He rose again, but He, as all of us who know Him never die spiritually. One day we will all be given new bodies like His!

What happened in Matthew 27:52-53 has nothing to do with Jesus revealing Himself as the awaited Messiah to the probably thousands of OT saints who had lived and died believing in their coming Saviour.

Jesus purpose was to make a way for us to get a new body ? not eternal life


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I believe that when Jesus went and proclaimed to the “spirits in prison” it was a victorious proclamation that those in both Abraham’s side and Hades heard. Those waiting in Abraham’s side heard his message and followed him to heaven, whereas those waiting in Hades heard it as a means of condemnation and now await the final judgment where they’ll be sentenced to hell (Revelation 20:11-15; cf. Revelation 2:11; 20:6; 21:8).

In doing research on this topic, I found this site that deals with many hard questions, as many do, but it expounds on all possibilities and he does not go as far is to say he is right and all others are wrong, but points the pros and cons to each view held. If you have a few minutes, you should really check this one out my family. http://pastormark.tv...ay-1-peter-3-19

I think you wil be blessed

(Mars Hill seems to be the church. I know I do not agree with all of their doctrines, but take the good with the bad. In this case, a great article was put out)

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Who says that Jesus descended into hell?

The First Peter scripture doesn't say that either.

P.S. The original Apostles Creed say's nothing about Him descending into hell.

The Apostles’ Creed is not found in the Bible. The Apostles’ Creed was not written by the apostles. Rather, it was written at least 150 years after the apostles had all died. It contains these words;

I believe in the Holy Ghost;

the holy catholic church;

the communion of saints;

the forgiveness of sins;

the resurrection of the body;

and the life everlasting.

"I believe in the holy catholic church?" These words makes one surmise it was written by a member of the catholic church!

The Scriptures teach that Jesus went to Paradise, a compartment in Hell. Jesus told the repentant thief on the cross; "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:43). Where Abraham, lazarus, and all the other rightious were held untill Christ died and took the keys of hell from Satan.

Physical death alone will not and can not pay the penalty for mans sins. Jesus took upon Himself the sins of all human beings, He became sin for all mankind as well as man's saviour. It was His being cut off from the Father by taking upon Himself, on the cross, the sins of all man kind that He suffered spiritual death. He became our substitute, Yours and mine. He was separated from His Father by taking upon Himself our sins. His sinless flesh was given as sacrifice so that sinfull man may be saved. (Rom. 6;1-22; 8:1-13). Remember when He cried out on the cross just before He died physically, ("MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAS'T THOUGH FORSAKEN ME"). The Father at that time turned His back on Jesus, He had to! for three days and nights, as it is written, for Jesus became at that time sin, and Jesus decended into hell to suffer the pain of hell, the pain of being separated from God the Father, the penality we alone deserve because of our sins. THIS SCRIPTURE TEACHES THAT CHRIST WENT TO HELL WHERE HE PREACHED UNTO THOSE IN PRISON. "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison" (1 Peter 3:19). I would hasten to say Jesus told those in Hell that all the promises Satan made regarding their release was a lie. Satan had hoped to defeat Jesus whild Jesus was a mere man, but he failed to defeat Him! After three days the Father said It's enough and raised Jesus from the dead and hell. Jesus conquered sin, satan, death, and the grave, He and the Father, who stood aside and allowed His Son to go through the pain and suffering gave us all a second chance. Thank you Jesus


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Who says that Jesus descended into hell?

The First Peter scripture doesn't say that either.

P.S. The original Apostles Creed say's nothing about Him descending into hell.

The Apostles’ Creed is not found in the Bible. The Apostles’ Creed was not written by the apostles. Rather, it was written at least 150 years after the apostles had all died. It contains these words;

I believe in the Holy Ghost;

the holy catholic church;

the communion of saints;

the forgiveness of sins;

the resurrection of the body;

and the life everlasting.

"I believe in the holy catholic church?" These words makes one surmise it was written by a member of the catholic church!

The Scriptures teach that Jesus went to Paradise, a compartment in Hell. Jesus told the repentant thief on the cross; "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:43). Where Abraham, lazarus, and all the other rightious were held untill Christ died and took the keys of hell from Satan.

Physical death alone will not and can not pay the penalty for mans sins. Jesus took upon Himself the sins of all human beings, He became sin for all mankind as well as man's saviour. It was His being cut off from the Father by taking upon Himself, on the cross, the sins of all man kind that He suffered spiritual death. He became our substitute, Yours and mine. He was separated from His Father by taking upon Himself our sins. His sinless flesh was given as sacrifice so that sinfull man may be saved. (Rom. 6;1-22; 8:1-13). Remember when He cried out on the cross just before He died physically, ("MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAS'T THOUGH FORSAKEN ME"). The Father at that time turned His back on Jesus, He had to! for three days and nights, as it is written, for Jesus became at that time sin, and Jesus decended into hell to suffer the pain of hell, the pain of being separated from God the Father, the penality we alone deserve because of our sins. THIS SCRIPTURE TEACHES THAT CHRIST WENT TO HELL WHERE HE PREACHED UNTO THOSE IN PRISON. "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison" (1 Peter 3:19). I would hasten to say Jesus told those in Hell that all the promises Satan made regarding their release was a lie. Satan had hoped to defeat Jesus whild Jesus was a mere man, but he failed to defeat Him! After three days the Father said It's enough and raised Jesus from the dead and hell. Jesus conquered sin, satan, death, and the grave, He and the Father, who stood aside and allowed His Son to go through the pain and suffering gave us all a second chance. Thank you Jesus

You're right about the Apostles Creeed to the extent that it is not contained within the Codified Bible. It pre-exists it and it was a way prior to the Codification of the Bible for believers to practice Theology and keep the Churches Doctrine from Gnosticism. It was not written by the Catholic Church. It also did not contain the part about Jesus Descending into hell. That was most likely added by the Catholic Church later on.

The Scriptures do not teach that Jesus went to Hell.

Making a strong assertion does not equate to a literal reference nor does it support your argument.

The part you've added about Jesus warning those in Hades about the lies of satan and some kind of promised release amounts to nothing more than Folk Theology and was what I was warning about when I cautioned making Doctrine out of whole cloth without Biblical support.

Dave

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