Is there a spiritual blindness over America?

[gdemoss]

In short, I think there is. And sadly, I think the most blind are some (but not all) Christians. How else to explain the numbers of our brothers and sisters who throw up their hands and swoon in praise of a man who despises them, the Bible, and the God they claim to serve? We expect this of liberals and the unsaved; they're only giving in to their baser desires. But Christians? I never thought I'd see it.

During these final few weeks of run-up to the elections, I've heard there is intercessory prayer going that God in His mercy would pull off a miracle, and deliver us again. Thing is, I'm not so sure we deserve it. Every time He's pulled our national chestnuts out of the fire, there's been a short time of supposedly turning back to Him, but that time is always brief.

I don't know. It could be He'll use another Obama win--and its attendent darkness--to bring us all to Himself. There really is nothing quite like intense persecution and economic annihilation to get our attention. And it's tough, but I think we've brought a lot of this on ourselves. But who knows? Maybe this will help us all to stop ridiculing and slamming each other, and actually begin living like family. Pretty to think so, anyway.

As another poster here says (and I agree with him), "brace for impact."

John, the issue at hand is deception. Christians don't know who their Christ is. Instead they fear God but serve idols. I encourage people to go back and look at 2 Kings 17. When God was done with the northern kingdom he brought in Assyria and took them all away. Unlike Judah who he left a remnant in the land, he replaced the northern kingdom with a people who knew not the God of the land. He gave them a single priest to teach them. In the end they didn't do very well.

And in saying this, you say that Christians are stupid. Both intelect-wise and spiritually. People who truly have a personal relationship with Christ know who He is. Your statement is false, and that is not where the problem lies. What you have attempted to portray as the problem is not the problem. Liberal theology is the problem. Liberal Christians who advocate and support things which the Bible says are wrong know that those things are, in fact, biblically wrong. But they are more worried about what their friends and family will think, and their Liberal world view, than thay are about doing what Jesus says to do, so they embrace the world instead of Christ. They want the best of both worlds. They want to be able to straddle the fence, claiming to be Christians while being world-friendly. Not surprising, since the Bible tells us there will be people like this. You yourself enjoy some really poor theology, so you practice what you accuse others of.

The fact is, at some point, America will fail, as a country. It has to for God's plan to see fruition. He may give us a season of reprieve. It is possible. And He may not. True Christians are still going to serve Him, no matter what, and the ones who are in name only will drop by the wayside. And it is the ones who always cry "Where is the persecution, Bring it on! I'm ready!!" that will fall by the wayside first. Because no truly wise person flagrantly courts persecution. They simply pray they will have the strength to endure it, if it happens. I see people, even on here constantly blaming the Church for our countries problems. They didn't do enough, they didn't evangalize enough, they didn't either burn people at the stake or allow them to do whatever they wanted so they could join a touchy-feely church. Take your pick. The Blame Game does not work, because at the end of the Day, God is still Supreme, God is still Eternal, God is still Omnipotent. He put the plan in motion millenia ago and it will unfold exactly as He has planned it, no matter what we say, no matter what we do, and no matter who is President.

Hi Cobalt, I am not saying this, God is. I am just repeating what I hear. You say that I enjoy some pretty poor theology but that remains to be seen as all will be revealed shortly. I blame no one. Deception is just that deception. I have been subject unto it myself. You now believe that I am subject unto it presently and I understand. All will be revealed shortly. We will find out who does and does not know Christ. We will find out who is or is not known of Christ. Who has and is walking in the Spirit of God and who is not. Just as Paul said that he believed he had the Spirit of God, so do I and therefore I speak what is revealed unto me by him. You oppose me and that which teaches me. I can but simply listen to what you submit to me as the truth and work to evaluate it for truth and respond to that which is actually the truth. In the end each one of us will give an account and the hidden things of our hearts will be revealed. Let us each work out (not for) our salvation with fear and trembling. I do appreciate your coming to me openly when you believe that I am in error and giving me the opportunity to accept or reject what you bring. I will have to give an account one day as you have not held your peace but spoke what was on your heart. Bless you for that. I do not think that you and I are far apart on this but simply are viewing the same thing from a different perspective.

In Jesus Name,

Gary

[joi]

Agreed, which makes the adoration this man is getting--especially from Christians--so incredible. I mean, he's for government-sanctioned perverted sex; he's for abortion from conception through birth; his economic and foreign policies are horrendous, and people don't seem to care, because he's glib, cute, and has a winning smile.

I could be way off on this, but I think there's something deeper at work here, a deception that goes back as far as time. It's almost as if a darkness has spilled across the land, and there's a bill about to be paid.

My own opinion, of course, but I can't shake the feeling.

There is a big possibility that we are not being told the truth about who is leading in the polls.

[Willa]

When you see these things begin to happen, look up and lift up you heads, for your redemption draws near. Luke 21:28 NKJV We are not supposed to be watching all these things. We are supposed to be keeping our eyes on Jesus and watching for His appearing.

If we never saw them or watched them how would we know they are happening?

That verse does NOT say don't watch or look. It actually means keep our eyes on Jesus and not on the 'things' in the sense that we

do not have to become paranoid or overcome with fear

We are told what will happen. We are not told to ignore it or pay no attention.

How many people do you know who have read Revelation and not noticed that it is revealing the Person of Jesus Christ? Most people seem to focus on the horrifying things. That is why horrer movies sell so well. I agree that we are to be aware of the things that are going on around us as though in our peripheral vision, but our focus should be on Jesus Christ.

[friendofjesuschrist]

AMEN!!

AND our saviour so lovingly and beautiful says and reminds us:

JOHN 18:36

Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world.

If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.

But now my kingdom is from another place.”

Edited September 24, 2012 by friendofjesuschrist

[Sevenseas]

When you see these things begin to happen, look up and lift up you heads, for your redemption draws near. Luke 21:28 NKJV We are not supposed to be watching all these things. We are supposed to be keeping our eyes on Jesus and watching for His appearing.

If we never saw them or watched them how would we know they are happening?

That verse does NOT say don't watch or look. It actually means keep our eyes on Jesus and not on the 'things' in the sense that we

do not have to become paranoid or overcome with fear

We are told what will happen. We are not told to ignore it or pay no attention.

How many people do you know who have read Revelation and not noticed that it is revealing the Person of Jesus Christ? Most people seem to focus on the horrifying things. That is why horrer movies sell so well. I agree that we are to be aware of the things that are going on around us as though in our peripheral vision, but our focus should be on Jesus Christ.

Frankly? None...that may be your experience and should we ignore the 'horrible' things? Didn't you just state that the horrible things

should cause us to look to Christ? So which is it?

Please do not try to make me say what I did not, in fact, say.

Don't walk around with your eyes looking at the sky because you will trip on something on the ground that you do not see.

Christians should be wise, they should use their intelligence and not walk around as though they had already been translated.

When Jesus walked this earth he was born as a baby and grew to be a man. He ate, slept and conducted Himself as though

he were human only even though He is the Son of God.

He is my example so I do not take to heart the expressions of people who try to appear as though they are holier than everyone

else.

I do not mean that to you personally. Thanks

[friendofjesuschrist]

Oh the beautiful special human covenants.

It will always and only all be in GOD's hands.

The creator of all things!

The blind can not watch, but they can feel and hear.

The deaf can not hear, they can only feel and see.

The maimed have their own disabilities.

Yet, we all have sin.

Funny that only GOD knows the true end and who will be chosen; even JESUS has no power over that.

When JESUS says to be careful and watch is really for those man-made covenants.

My friends those covenants are everywhere.

The main covenants are RUMORS, CONFUSION, and WAR; on any level ( not just physical).

JESUS is amazing.

All who truly believe just have to deal with it and be strong till the end, because even evil people must eat and their children.

This is why JESUS says to pay Caesar, run from sin, shake the dust off your feet, and just spread the word and live in love.

No one knows if an evil person's child can be a messenger from GOD; only GOD knows.

So, we must just love one another.

Love to all in the Holy Precious Name of JESUS CHRIST who lives and reigns forever and ever ( believers be aware of the man-made covenants of the Pharisees today; they will easily use Christ's name).

MARK 12:29-31

MATTHEW 5:43-48

[Sevenseas]

whatever

[Willa]

Back to the original topic. Yes, I believe there is a growing blindness coming over America. It is a judgement because American law has forsaken God's Word, enabling the proliferation of sin rather than curbing it as the law of this land was created to do by our founding fathers. Hollywood has made the public think that "everyone is doing it" and changed our mores. We have been taught by Harvard and other "higher education" that there is no black and white as Christ taught, but only shades of gray. We evangelical Christians are truly a minority in just 50 years.

But this is not true of the whole world. In many nations where Christiaity is forbidden people are turning to Christ in great numbers. Campus Crusade has stated that the majority of those asking for literature, asking questions and making commitments are from Arab nations. Dalits in India are desperat for hope and are turning to Christ litterally by the thousands. One person who spoke there saw 7000 people receive Christ in one night!. So many people asked for prayer, and he had no idea what they were saying, that he just ask God to meet their need. People were physically healed, delivered from alcohol, marriages were healed and reported by those who drove them to the meeting and by local pastors. There is a great need for Bibles and teaching materials in these lands. There is also great persecution. Many of them may be first as we may be last in God's kingdom, since we who know more will be held accountable for more.

[friendofjesuschrist]

AMEN!

But the man-made covenants are definitely an answer to this topic as well as an answer to the topics on many other threads on this site and other sites.

JESUS already warned us and as HE says, " they that have an ear, let them hear"

AGAPE.

Edited September 25, 2012 by friendofjesuschrist

[Sevenseas]

AMEN!

But the man-made covenants are definitely an answer to this topic as well as an answer to the topics on many other threads on this site and other sites.

JESUS already warned us and as HE says, " they that have an ear, let them hear"

AGAPE.

Amen? Does that make your day? Judgement is a good thing? Do you hate the US?

A true disciple of Christ is grieved and in pain over this nation and is fasting and seeking God.

They are not saying amen to judgement.