Gifts Of The Spirit: Question

[enoob57]

My understanding of tongues is a), how we are to pray privately in spirit; b) when in public, there must be someone to interpret and edify; c) and the ability to speak to crowds in their own language. I believe this still happens but have to question a roomful of people talking in tongues without edification; it does not seem to fit scripture.

I agree and in so doing I believe then this applies-

Ro 14:4

4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls.

Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

NKJV

as you can see by this I am not distressed about tongues~ for either way I have

my Lord's Promise of keeping His.... Love, Steven

[gdemoss]

When Jesus returns those things will cease. In the meantime those gifts are available to Believers as God choses.

AMEN!

I agree. x 2

I agree X 3

I agree X 4

[enoob57]

When Jesus returns those things will cease. In the meantime those gifts are available to Believers as God choses.

AMEN!

I agree. x 2

I agree X 3

I agree X 4

That's right gang up against the pedro

I put you you guys in jail.... then we see hows you vote!

[Sevenseas]

My understanding of tongues is a), how we are to pray privately in spirit; b) when in public, there must be someone to interpret and edify; c) and the ability to speak to crowds in their own language. I believe this still happens but have to question a roomful of people talking in tongues without edification; it does not seem to fit scripture.

This has been thrashed about in another thread...you might find it interesting...this thread is about whether or not the gifts have ceased, not

how they function...

That thread, link, has lots of info and plenty of thrashing and bashing to suit anyone

[Sevenseas]

This thread was supposed to be about whether or not the gifts have ceased...NOT whether or not we should be speaking, praying

en masse or in private or yelling from the rooftop.

How about healing or teaching? Have those gifts stopped? Do we still allow teaching?

[OneLight]

How do you interpret this passage in view of the last of days we are in?

1 Co 13:8

8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.

NKJV Love, Steven

When Jesus returns those things will cease. In the meantime those gifts are available to Believers as God choses.

Please support this with Scripture! Love, Steven

1 Cor. 12: 1-11.

I'm sorry I could not find in that passage when Jesus returns is when tongues cease. Love, Steven

You will find any suggestion of the ceasing of the gifts in 1 Corinthians 13:8-9

Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part.

But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

That which is perfect has not yet come.

So 2Tim 3:16-17 does not apply to perfection coming? An if so then how does it say what it says in verse 17? Then

backed by many Scriptures about the perfect law of Liberty found in the New Testament/Covenant? Ja 1:25-27 As the fruit it

delivers Rom 8 a perfection that cannot be denied so witnessed by The Scriptures.... Love, Steven

Hi Steven,

I would be interested to see you show the scripture and explain how it would cause what I say to be incorrect. From what I see, the scripture you provide has nothing to do what "that which is perfect" as spoken in 1 Corinthians 13:8-9.

[gdemoss]

So 2Tim 3:16-17 does not apply to perfection coming? An if so then how does it say what it says in verse 17? Then

backed by many Scriptures about the perfect law of Liberty found in the New Testament/Covenant? Ja 1:25-27 As the fruit it

delivers Rom 8 a perfection that cannot be denied so witnessed by The Scriptures.... Love, Steven

Steven, your reasoning that the New Testament scriptures are defining the completed cannon that they are part of as that which is perfect having come. James spoke of the perfect law of liberty and was not including the New Testament. By that logic the perfect had come long before as the OT cannon was established before Christ's first advent. Think about it. Pray over it. Meditate some more. May God give the increase. With love,

Gary

[Sevenseas]

My understanding of tongues is a), how we are to pray privately in spirit; b) when in public, there must be someone to interpret and edify; c) and the ability to speak to crowds in their own language. I believe this still happens but have to question a roomful of people talking in tongues without edification; it does not seem to fit scripture.

This has been thrashed about in another thread...you might find it interesting...this thread is about whether or not the gifts have ceased, not

how they function...

That thread, link, has lots of info and plenty of thrashing and bashing to suit anyone

sevenseas, what is up with you? Who's doing all this bashing you are talking about? No one that I can see. The way you answered the blogger did come close, and you apologized for misspeaking. You have made in quite clear you believe in the speaking of tongues, I stated I did as well. To question whether the practice as related in the Gospels is still going relates to how it is being practiced today. Is 'a roomful of people speaking in tongues' the practice of tongues directly suits the topic as presented. It is not bashing of any kind. Again, I ask you to stop making presumptions about my motives and character. Directing me to a link to glut my need to bash? That is not right.

Again, we already have a thread on tongues. My post was simply about that. No need for a volcanic eruption.

I have mentionned the same thing on this thread previously, so I'm sorry, but I am not giving you special attention

[enoob57]

So 2Tim 3:16-17 does not apply to perfection coming? An if so then how does it say what it says in verse 17? Then

backed by many Scriptures about the perfect law of Liberty found in the New Testament/Covenant? Ja 1:25-27 As the fruit it

delivers Rom 8 a perfection that cannot be denied so witnessed by The Scriptures.... Love, Steven

Steven, your reasoning that the New Testament scriptures are defining the completed cannon that they are part of as that which is perfect having come. A partial perfection is still perfection! James spoke of the perfect law of liberty and was not including the New Testament.Oh you don't even want to go there with me! By that logic the perfect had come long before as the OT cannon was established before Christ's first advent. Think about it. Pray over it. Meditate some more. May God give the increase. With love,

Gary

2Tim 3:16-17 How clear does God need to be? Only that which 'IS' perfect can make perfect Jn 1:1-18...

Taking the Third Member of The God Head with the Holy Scriptures and your willing to come into Jesus' presence

saying the perfect is not here? It's your accounting! I for one will not think as you guys do here! Love, Steven

[Sevenseas]

.......can we talk about the gift of teaching now? huh? can we? did it cease?