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Hebrews 7

7This ‘King Melchizedek of Salem, priest of the Most High God, met Abraham as he was returning from defeating the kings and blessed him’; 2and to him Abraham apportioned ‘one-tenth of everything’. His name, in the first place, means ‘king of righteousness’; next he is also king of Salem, that is, ‘king of peace’. 3Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest for ever.

4 See how great he is! Even* Abraham the patriarch gave him a tenth of the spoils.

--------it's sounds so mysterious


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This is all the Bible tells us about Melchizedek:

Gen. 14

17 Then after his [Abraham's] return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him, the king of Sodom went out to meet him at the valley of Shaveh (that is, the King's Valley ). 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine ; now he was a priest of God Most High. 19 He blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth ; 20 And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand." He gave him a tenth of all.

So, all we see here is that he was both a king-priest, and his priesthood was to God Most High.

Then Psalm 110

4 The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."

What is the order of Melchizedek? Based only on what Scripture tells us, the order seems to be a priest who is a king:

He is the king of Salem, which means "peace; so he is the King of Peace.

And He is a Priest to God Most High.

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God has always had prophets, priests and kings. Melchizedek is one who he wrote about in order to foreshadow and tell of the coming Christ. God declares the end from the beginning. The whole bible is prophetic in nature. Every word of it. Only that which is revealed by the Holy Spirit is known by men.


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The name "Melchizedek, means "The Prince/King of Righteousness or The Prince/King of Peace/Salem. In the book of Hebrews chapter 7 in verse 1 it says the Melchizedek, is the priest of the Most High God, In verse 3 it says that Melchizedek is without Father or Mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of days of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

So what can we groom from all of this information?

#1. First of all there is only one King of Righteous and his name is Jesus Christ.

#2. We know from the word of God that Melchizedek did not have a Father or a Mother or any relatives, Which means that He was not concieved like you and I were, He was created by God without using a humasn to do it.

#3. He has no beginning of days and no ending of life, which means that He has always been and will live forever, is still alive even from the days of Abraham and will never die. And to this very day still remains the Priest to the Most High God.

And lastly, when we give our money up on Sunday or any other day, who are we giving it to? Non other than the Most High God. The word of God says that "if you have seen me you have seen the Father. (Words of Jesus Christ) So who was it that Abraham gave a tenth of all he took from the kings who took his brother.

The Conclusion?

Melchizedek was Jesus Christ who was created by God, who has alway been and always will be, who is God incarnate as we know him, who is and always has been the one and only King of Righteousness, who is and always will be the King of the city of Jerusalem which is the city of Peace, who is and always will be the Priest to the Most High God.

A lot of people have trouble with this bit of truth but what the hay. I am not the paper boy, all I did was research the scriptures given to all us about Melchizedek and the bible says what it says. Who am I to argue with what the word of God says?


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Melchizedek was Jesus Christ who was created by God

This is the bit I have a problem with. It's my understanding that Jesus always was, as God the Father always was, and the Holy Spirit always was. Can you share where in Scripture you see Jesus as being created? Thanks.


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The name "Melchizedek, means "The Prince/King of Righteousness or The Prince/King of Peace/Salem. In the book of Hebrews chapter 7 in verse 1 it says the Melchizedek, is the priest of the Most High God, In verse 3 it says that Melchizedek is without Father or Mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of days of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

So what can we groom from all of this information?

#1. First of all there is only one King of Righteous and his name is Jesus Christ.

#2. We know from the word of God that Melchizedek did not have a Father or a Mother or any relatives, Which means that He was not concieved like you and I were, He was created by God without using a humasn to do it.

#3. He has no beginning of days and no ending of life, which means that He has always been and will live forever, is still alive even from the days of Abraham and will never die. And to this very day still remains the Priest to the Most High God.

And lastly, when we give our money up on Sunday or any other day, who are we giving it to? Non other than the Most High God. The word of God says that "if you have seen me you have seen the Father. (Words of Jesus Christ) So who was it that Abraham gave a tenth of all he took from the kings who took his brother.

The Conclusion?

Melchizedek was Jesus Christ who was created by God, who has alway been and always will be, who is God incarnate as we know him, who is and always has been the one and only King of Righteousness, who is and always will be the King of the city of Jerusalem which is the city of Peace, who is and always will be the Priest to the Most High God.

A lot of people have trouble with this bit of truth but what the hay. I am not the paper boy, all I did was research the scriptures given to all us about Melchizedek and the bible says what it says. Who am I to argue with what the word of God says?

I must respectfully disagree with the conclusion...

A passing familiarity with what is know as the "Rabbinical form of argument" (for this book is written to the Hebrews by one who is obviously a trained rabbinical scholar) **I think** will show that the author is presenting Melchizedek in the manner of a "typology" in presenting Jesus as King and High Priest.

In all of scripture for example, aside from Jesus there is only one figure who is both a king and a priest...and that is Melchizedek. Vs 17 serves to show that Jesus is both Priest and King after the order of Melchizedek.

I believe that Vs 3 which says: without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

Merely refers to the fact that there is no genealogy recorded, and as there is no record of his death...he remains a priest...once again a typology.

I'd point out that Jesus has a genealogy, and this genealogy is extremely important within a Jewish context in showing that Jesus is Messiah...His genealogy is recorded in all the synoptic gospels. Perhaps this is the reason that the genealogy of Melchizedek is omitted, but that's just a guess...

So...I don't think that this was an example of a Theophany (or Christophany as it is known today), but rather an example of a man who was used as a type, or foreshadowing of the role of Messiah.

JMO


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Melchizedek was Jesus Christ who was created by God

This is the bit I have a problem with. It's my understanding that Jesus always was, as God the Father always was, and the Holy Spirit always was. Can you share where in Scripture you see Jesus as being created? Thanks.

I hold to the position that the Word of God always was but Jesus, the Word of God that became flesh and dwelt among us, came into being when he left off being in the form of God and took upon him the form of a servant and was made in fashion as a man. This change entitles him to be called part of the creation and therefore a created being though that part of him which is, was and always will be the Lord from Heaven was never created in and of himself. We call him the King of Creation because he inhabits substance that is part of the creation, a body, and has full control over that substance whereas every other created being has been given substance, a body, that they themselves have control over. This is the best way I can describe why I call Jesus a creature and distinguish a difference between that which is called Jesus and that which is the Word of God in the form of God. I am open to the possibility that I still need a more excellent understanding but this is how my mind wraps around it.


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John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only
begotten
of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only
begotten
Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because
he hath not believed in the name of the only
begotten
Son of God.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only
begotten
Son into the world, that we might live through him.

The Bible reveals God has other sons. For example, believers in Jesus are called the sons of God but through adoption. Adam was called the son of God. God gave the angels the title of the sons of God. Israelbecame God’s son, and Solomon sat on the throne of Israel as the son of God. However, the Lord Jesus remains distinguished from all these sons of God. He is singular and unique as the only begotten Son of God with the Father from eternity. He has a different relationship with the Father. Any tampering with the Lord as the only begotten Son of God would just make Him one of many sons of God in the Bible. A verse to show this follows:

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. (6) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

BEGOTTEN NOT CREATED. Begotten means to father

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Mcgyver:

A passing familiarity with what is know as the "Rabbinical form of argument" (for this book is written to the Hebrews by one who is obviously a trained rabbinical scholar) **I think** will show that the author is presenting Melchizedek in the manner of a "typology" in presenting Jesus as King and High Priest.

Agreed

I believe that Vs 3 which says: without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

Merely refers to the fact that there is no genealogy recorded, and as there is no record of his death...he remains a priest...once again a typology.

Yes

I'd point out that Jesus has a genealogy, and this genealogy is extremely important within a Jewish context in showing that Jesus is Messiah...His genealogy is recorded in all the synoptic gospels. Perhaps this is the reason that the genealogy of Melchizedek is omitted, but that's just a guess...

So...I don't think that this was an example of a Theophany (or Christophany as it is known today), but rather an example of a man who was used as a type, or foreshadowing of the role of Messiah.

I would agree


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The name "Melchizedek, means "The Prince/King of Righteousness or The Prince/King of Peace/Salem. In the book of Hebrews chapter 7 in verse 1 it says the Melchizedek, is the priest of the Most High God, In verse 3 it says that Melchizedek is without Father or Mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of days of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

So what can we groom from all of this information?

#1. First of all there is only one King of Righteous and his name is Jesus Christ.

#2. We know from the word of God that Melchizedek did not have a Father or a Mother or any relatives, Which means that He was not concieved like you and I were, He was created by God without using a humasn to do it.

#3. He has no beginning of days and no ending of life, which means that He has always been and will live forever, is still alive even from the days of Abraham and will never die. And to this very day still remains the Priest to the Most High God.

And lastly, when we give our money up on Sunday or any other day, who are we giving it to? Non other than the Most High God. The word of God says that "if you have seen me you have seen the Father. (Words of Jesus Christ) So who was it that Abraham gave a tenth of all he took from the kings who took his brother.

The Conclusion?

Melchizedek was Jesus Christ who was created by God, who has alway been and always will be, who is God incarnate as we know him, who is and always has been the one and only King of Righteousness, who is and always will be the King of the city of Jerusalem which is the city of Peace, who is and always will be the Priest to the Most High God.

A lot of people have trouble with this bit of truth but what the hay. I am not the paper boy, all I did was research the scriptures given to all us about Melchizedek and the bible says what it says. Who am I to argue with what the word of God says?

I must respectfully disagree with the conclusion...

A passing familiarity with what is know as the "Rabbinical form of argument" (for this book is written to the Hebrews by one who is obviously a trained rabbinical scholar) **I think** will show that the author is presenting Melchizedek in the manner of a "typology" in presenting Jesus as King and High Priest.

In all of scripture for example, aside from Jesus there is only one figure who is both a king and a priest...and that is Melchizedek. Vs 17 serves to show that Jesus is both Priest and King after the order of Melchizedek.

I believe that Vs 3 which says: without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

Merely refers to the fact that there is no genealogy recorded, and as there is no record of his death...he remains a priest...once again a typology.

I'd point out that Jesus has a genealogy, and this genealogy is extremely important within a Jewish context in showing that Jesus is Messiah...His genealogy is recorded in all the synoptic gospels. Perhaps this is the reason that the genealogy of Melchizedek is omitted, but that's just a guess...

So...I don't think that this was an example of a Theophany (or Christophany as it is known today), but rather an example of a man who was used as a type, or foreshadowing of the role of Messiah.

JMO

I think you have written almost exactly the same response that I would have given. :thumbsup:

Massorite also claimed...

A lot of people have trouble with this bit of truth but what the hay. I am not the paper boy, all I did was research the scriptures given to all us about Melchizedek and the bible says what it says. Who am I to argue with what the word of God says?

The only thing some people have trouble understanding are peculiar speculations over Mechizedek, that IMHO do err somewhat.

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