A Forgotten Day & a Forgotten Country

[ted]

Steff, we all want America to return to a simpler time. We all want our country to rely less on Government and more on the ingenuity of those willing to brave new ideas into action. We all want to live in an open and free land where we can go about our lives in peace.

But the sad reality is, we live in a much different world right now. The population is growing at an unbearable rate. Terrorists are ever trying to slip through any crack or whole in our borders. They are intent on exploiting any weakness, whether it's in our physical security or in our will.

Disease affects us like never before. Crime has exploded. Drugs are rampant. Sin dressed in any form that is pleasing is capturing our attention on the tv, music, and movie theaters, and so many, Christians even, will snarl at the one that speaks out against it.

"Don't restrict MY right to sin" seems to be the rally call of America.

Without empowering our nation to repel these attacks on our well being, we are reduced to sitting on the sidelines and watching our country fall deeper in a pit it will soon find itself too deep to climb out of.

Some of the laws in place are needed. Some need to be repealed.

But sitting back and dreaming of the way things used to be 140 years ago doesn't help a thing.

t.

[ayin jade]

I wiss discuss your question on the FDA either later tonight or this weekend. I'm a bit too busy right now to dig up some statistics, but I assure you I have a great rebuttal  .

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I cant wait. As for me, I want the FDA. There is no way I would take meds without the FDA's approval on them. I know what the alternative is.

What do taxes pay for, besides overpaid politicians? Simple. The fire and police departments. The highways. How do you think they get paid?

[Steff]

What do taxes pay for, besides overpaid politicians? Simple. The fire and police departments. The highways. How do you think they get paid?

Income taxes pay for none of these. Do some research you'll find it's true. How do you think they were paid for before we had income tax? This is a false argument.

[His son]

Steff,

Good job, ignore those who don't know Americas history, and only have the propaganda that they have been brainwashed with. The communists came in and took over education, and have been pulling the wool over peoples eyes until they have brought this nation to the place it is today, and when they get married to Islam things world wide are going to disintegrate a lot faster. They have changed the history of this nation till it is hardly recognizable. I's pretty sad but it is the fact.

[ted]

Well, how can I be one of the chosen ones?

t.

[His son]

Well, how can I be one of the chosen ones?

t.

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Read The Bible, trust only The Holy Spirit to interpret, search out true American History if you can find it in the library, and find out what this country realy was in it's beginning.

[Work in Progress]

Today, 117 years later, that America doesn't exist anymore

[Guest Thomas I believe]

No one would fly planes into buildings.

America has flaws, so does every country. I love America and would not leave her unless the Lord tells me to. I support my country and my troops.

May God bless America

Amen Jade !!!!

[amor]

These links, some with quotes, show that France limits freedom of speech in various ways and from various approaches.

Certain speech is a felony under French law while protected speech under US law, and the sentences are in years of prison time.

Certain speech is a lesser crime, punishable with short term jail time and fines.

Certain fines are levied for not registering with a governing authority prior to speaking about certain issues or people.

France (as well as all the EU countries) is under not only French law but EU law, and the squeeze is on to restrict and in certain cases eliminate speech that offends.

You will actually find the court in France trying to legislate what comes from the USA, but our Supreme Court blocked this attempt to limit free speech coming from the USA.

http://www.frenchlaw.com/criminal_law.htm

http://www.fact-index.com/f/fr/freedom_of_...ch.html#Freedom of speech in the European Union

http://www.edri.org/issues/freedom/jurisprudence

In France the owner of a website was convicted to pay a penalty of 450 Euro for publishing personal data without first registering with the Data Protection Authority, the CNIL. On 25 February the appeal-court of Lyon confirmed the earlier ruling, even though the judges decided to suspend payment of the penalty.

"Remarkably the website-owner, Roger Gonnet, is a former member of Scientology who denounces the organisation as a cult and mentions names and other data about members on his website. One of these members complained. The first court ordered him to pay a penalty of 450 Euro, plus 450 Euro compensation for attorney costs and a symbolical 1 Euro compensation for general damages. The appeal-court rejected the extra compensation, because the plaintiff could not prove the damages."

http://www.edri.org/issues/governance

"EDRI-member IRIS and the French Human Rights League (LDH) have sent a brief to the French Constitutional council regarding the unconstitutionality of the French transposition of the E-commerce Directive (Loi pour la confiance dans l'economie numerique or LEN). On 18 May 2004 the French socialist MPs submitted the finalised law to the Constitutional Council, following the public advice from the two organisations.

The parliamentary opposition uses three of the four provisions pointed out by IRIS and LDH: status of email (not defined as private correspondence), privatisation of justice (through notice and take down procedure) and the introduction of different periods of limitation for on-line and off-line content. In the proposed law there is no time bar for offences identified in the press law (defamation, racist speech, holocaust denial, etc.) if they result from an on-line publication, while the statute of limitations is three months if previously published in any other medium."

http://www.informationblast.com/Freedom_of_speech.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/freespeech/artic...,346696,00.html

"The problem for international internet lawyers is that the auction site is legal in the US under the first amendment, which guarantees freedom of speech, and illegal in France under a section of the penal code which prohibits the sale of goods inciting violence or racism."

http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/f/freedom-of-speech.html

http://www.justice.gouv.fr/anglais/europe/aantirac.htm

http://www.infosatellite.com/news/2001/11/...hoo_france.html

"It was announced by the media yesterday that a U.S. federal judge has ruled that Yahoo! didn't have the obligation to comply with French laws governing Internet content."

http://www.tjcenter.org/express.html

"Understanding the democratic power of the Internet, governments everywhere want to control their own citizens' access to it. In a new and more dangerous wrinkle, however, a French court is seeking to control information coming out of the United States."

http://www.worldmagblog.com/archives/005851.html

"France's government has approved a draft law that would punish "insults" against homosexuality and homosexuals."

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This deals with issues such as defamation, the publishing of intimate information without consent, and racism and homophobia. It does not cover the sort of thing that Steff was saying, criticism of the state. These are laws designed to protect individuals not to protect the state, as your first post implied