OneLight Posted March 16, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2013 Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. It could be that they missed some cities. There was not a list given of what the cities were or if they went to all the cities. 27 "For the Son of Man is going to come with His angels in the glory of His Father, and then He will reward each according to what he has done. 28 I assure you: There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." This verse, Matthew 16:28, has to be seen in the full context. In verses 24-26, Jesus states and asks "Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? ". Here, Christ is informing His disciples the cost of following Him, and what they must give up. The next verse is a futuristic verse, informing them of the end result. " For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.". After this, Jesus tells them the truth in verse 28, that many will decide to accept Him as their Savior before they taste death. One has to ask themselves where is the Kingdom of God? This is answered in Luke 17:20-21 "Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”". Once we accept Christ, His kingdom is within us. Upon accepting salvation, Jesus does come into us in His kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyAngeL Posted March 16, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Share Posted March 16, 2013 No He has not returned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Servant Posted March 16, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 109 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/31/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2013 Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 27 "For the Son of Man is going to come with His angels in the glory of His Father, and then He will reward each according to what he has done. 28 I assure you: There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." I can't get myself past these verses. I've tried convincing myself it could mean the transfiguration, but frankly, I feel that is a go to when hitting a brick wall. Is there any possibility we are in the 1000 years? I know there has been no time of peace. But these verses sound so immediate. Jesus was speaking of when he returns to judge the world. The other part refers to one thing that I can think of, but it will be very hard for many to accept: That there were standing there two or more people either from our time or the very near future that wouldn't die until the Lord returns to earth to make war on Antichrist and claim his heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 From the ESV Study Bible: Matt. 16:28 Some of the Twelve who were standing there with Jesus in Caesarea Philippi would live to see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. This predicted event has been variously interpreted as referring to: (1) Jesus’ transfiguration (17:1–8); (2) his resurrection; (3) the coming of the Spirit at Pentecost; (4) the spread of the kingdom through the preaching of the early church; (5) the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in a.d. 70; or (6) the second coming and final establishment of the kingdom. The immediate context seems to indicate the first view, the transfiguration, which immediately follows (see also Mark 9:2–10; Luke 9:28–36). There, “some” of Jesus’ disciples “saw” what Jesus will be like when he comes in the power of his kingdom. This interpretation is also supported by 2 Pet. 1:16–18, where Peter equates Jesus’ “glory” with his transfiguration, of which Peter was an eyewitness. At the same time, interpretations (2), (3), and (4) are also quite possible, for they are all instances where Jesus “came” in the powerful advance of his kingdom, which was partially but not yet fully realized. Some interpreters think that Jesus is more generally speaking of many or all of the events in views (2) through (4). View (5) is less persuasive because the judgment on Jerusalem does not reflect the positive growth of the kingdom. View (6) is unacceptable, for it would imply that Jesus was mistaken about the timing of his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted March 16, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2013 No,Jesus return is still in the future.I am still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nChrist Posted March 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 438 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,947 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 300 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/28/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1949 Share Posted March 17, 2013 The Second Coming of Christ has not happened yet. Future: Isaiah 2:1-5 NASB The word which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the LORD Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. 3 And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. 5 Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the LORD. Isaiah 9:2-7 NASB The people who walk in darkness Will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, The light will shine on them. 3 You shall multiply the nation, You shall increase their gladness; They will be glad in Your presence As with the gladness of harvest, As men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders, The rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian. 5 For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult, And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire. 6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this. Micah 4:1-3 NASB And it will come about in the last days That the mountain of the house of the LORD Will be established as the chief of the mountains. It will be raised above the hills, And the peoples will stream to it. 2 Many nations will come and say, "Come and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD And to the house of the God of Jacob, That He may teach us about His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For from Zion will go forth the law, Even the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 3 And He will judge between many peoples And render decisions for mighty, distant nations. Then they will hammer their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they train for war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourberry Posted March 17, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 194 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/26/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/19/1974 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I don't understand why you make this point? The op is not about what makes us closer to God. Sometimes a simple answer is all that is needed. It is in the nature of a human being to look for an answer of a particular kind. Other answers get rejected. Look what seduced Eva? Knowledge. What Saul was looking for when enquiring Samuel? He was looking for a simple answer, despite of many answers he already had. We do receive all the answers we need, I think. Always. Our world is built that way. We are not waiting on Jesus. He is waiting on us. One may think he is knocking Jesus door. It is Jesus who is knocking your door. Anything that needed to be done - has been done. Anything that needed to be said - has been said. This world is about us now, waiting its destruction. I did not say anything that you do not know. Right? I am sorry about that. I cannot give short answers, I cannot give long answers, I cannot give any answers. I can only say what we already know. All we are left to do is soften our hearts, leave them open to mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTC Posted March 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,795 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 1,502 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/25/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1952 Share Posted March 17, 2013 1peterlight, Your first quote is Matt ch 10 But the second quote isn't Matt ch 10. At least I can't find it. I want to see the context Jesus said this in. And while I'm asking that, which translation are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted March 17, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2013 1peterlight, Your first quote is Matt ch 10 But the second quote isn't Matt ch 10. At least I can't find it. I want to see the context Jesus said this in. And while I'm asking that, which translation are you using? Matthew 16:28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefinger Posted March 17, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 30 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/31/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2013 Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 27 "For the Son of Man is going to come with His angels in the glory of His Father, and then He will reward each according to what he has done. 28 I assure you: There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." I can't get myself past these verses. I've tried convincing myself it could mean the transfiguration, but frankly, I feel that is a go to when hitting a brick wall. Is there any possibility we are in the 1000 years? I know there has been no time of peace. But these verses sound so immediate. Hi 1Peterlight, I've been thinking about this as well. I read somewhere that the word for 'comes' can also mean 'be revealed.' In this case, it's not talking about the Parousia, but rather an event or sequence of events that demonstrates God's judgment and power. Such was the case in the Old Testament when God visited the inhabitants of the Promised Land that He was driving out: "And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants." (Leviticus 18:25 KJV) Did God literally come to them or was it in a sense that His just and true judgments were being revealed to both the godly and ungodly? With that in mind, I wanted you to read this and tell me what you think: "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." (Luke 17:20-37 KJV) Here, Jesus uses the same kind of language he used in Matthew 24, calling His listeners to flee Judea and not return when they see the temple turned into a fortress for the wicked and murderers, as was fulfilled in the days of Flavius Josephus. What do you think? Could the language that Jesus used to describe the visitation of the inhabitants of Jerusalem and the entire Jewish nation in the first century be confused by us as the Parousia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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