Reign of the Beast -genuinely Global or just the Mid-East?

[wonby1]

I've heard the arguments before, Revelation was fulfilled long ago.  However, are we to believe that all prophesy in the Bible has been fulfilled?  If so, I certainly dispute being in paradise.

 

It is a mistake to discount the notion that prophesy can have duel meanings.  When looking at world events, there is but one conclusion.   The world is in a collectivist frenzy, as one world order types attempt to further consolidate power in the world via the European Union and NAFTA etc.  We also have the world attention focused on Israel, as this one world system moves closer and closer to directly intervening in Israel as the scriptures warn.  There is also evidence of this collectivist beast increasing its control over us all.  We see this with PRISM.  We see this with the technology to "tag" us so as to properly identify us and watch us.

 

Imagine being tagged for multiple reasons.  Imagine a system where an implanted tag becomes the mode for financial transactions.  No more lost credit cards.  No more cheating on taxes.  But what if they could also track you with that implant.   No more lost persons.  No more running from the law.  Now imagine a tag that can also be used for your health care.  An implanted chip could be used for easy access to health care information.  Perhaps it will even monitor your blood pressure or glucose readings etc.  And lastly, perhaps technology will also use such a tag as a means of communication.  No more carrying around a cell phone.  In fact, everything you do and say could be monitored.

 

It is not a matter of if these things will happen, but when and do they coincide with Revelation?

 

Looking at the world movements today, it seems obvious to me that this is the direction we are headed.  Perhaps Orwell was also a prophet of sorts.  The admonishments in Revelation are just the icing on the cake for me.  It's not like I can't see this stuff coming a mile away.  Those who refuse to participate in the world system, (ie Christians) we be referred to as extremists, obstructionists, regressive, and the problem in society that needs to be expunged because they oppose such efficiency.  In fact, Christians may be referred to as the terrorists since they are the ones who seem afraid of such government oversight.  They may feel that their very lives are threatened by the Christians who refuse to participate, all because of their silly little book and their superstitions.

 

My guess is that the next great power grab will probably occur after another financial meltdown.  Power will further be centralized and force the masses to surrender more of their sovereignty to organizations like NATO who will "fix" the inefficiencies of the current system.  Imagine the power that they would have not to have to print money and the freedom to track all financial transactions.  Human beings inherently seek such power, and nothing will stop them unless God himself stops them.

 

Just my 2 cents. 

Edited July 7, 2013 by wonby1

[wonby1]

 

 

Who is the beast who is thrown alive into the Lake of Fire with the false prophet (Rev 19:20c)

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

 

my personal opinion it is Apollyon

 

I happen to think that the false prophet is Mohammad.  Think about it.  It would have to be a prophet that points to God, but one who does not represent the God of the Bible.  He would also have to be a world wide figure.  I've read that the Dome of the Rock was referred to by the early church as the Desolation of Abomination and have read how the calendar in Daniel points to this fact.  Does it not sit on the temple mount and does it not prevent the return to the worship of God on the Temple Mount?

 

It also strikes me that those who do not receive the mark are beheaded.  Who beheads today?  Are they not Muslims?  Is not Islam the fastest spreading religion on earth?  Are they not the most aggressive spreading religion on earth?  Do they not attempt to incorporate politics with religion?  It all makes too much sense to discount.

 

Again, just my 2 cents.

[iamlamad]

 

according to the book of Daniel the antichrist (king of the north) is in a constant battle with a king of the south, I have no idea who these kings are or who they represent, but it does beg the reader to acknowledge a king and his kingdom are in opposition to this antichrist figure and his kingdom, even before the antichrist figure shows up these two kingdoms appear to be at odds

 

 

I think the bible even states in Daniel 11:41 Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon escape his hand

 

Johnny

 

Where do you think Israel should flee to then?  Edom, Moab and Ammon where they will be safe.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

That makes a lot of sense! Perhaps then some Gentiles might move there too? That is, posttribbers who believe they will be here during that time?

[iamlamad]

 

 

 

Who is the beast who is thrown alive into the Lake of Fire with the false prophet (Rev 19:20c)

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

 

my personal opinion it is Apollyon

 

I happen to think that the false prophet is Mohammad.  Think about it.  It would have to be a prophet that points to God, but one who does not represent the God of the Bible.  He would also have to be a world wide figure.  I've read that the Dome of the Rock was referred to by the early church as the Desolation of Abomination and have read how the calendar in Daniel points to this fact.  Does it not sit on the temple mount and does it not prevent the return to the worship of God on the Temple Mount?

 

It also strikes me that those who do not receive the mark are beheaded.  Who beheads today?  Are they not Muslims?  Is not Islam the fastest spreading religion on earth?  Are they not the most aggressive spreading religion on earth?  Do they not attempt to incorporate politics with religion?  It all makes too much sense to discount.

 

Again, just my 2 cents.

 

Ever heard of Maitreya?

 

Lamad

[iamlamad]

By the time of Rev.13 the world will be a very different place.

 

I actually have come to believe that

666 the number of his name could be the Registry Number of A Coat Of Arms.

Which is an insignia also meaning Mark of a family's name, and or military.

You said this right! For the most part, God will turn His back on earth, and evil will reign supreme.

The Holy Spirit, as the restrainer, will go back to heaven, and except for those who flee, I think God will just let the world see what it's like to be without God. That seems to be what they all want: a world without God.

 

Lamad

[Willa]

I'm more confused now than when I asked the question.From what I can gather, I need to study the book of Daniel more, as apparently it has the same prophecies as listed in Revelation. Ok, I can do that, no problem.It seems to me to be the most sensible option that I have been given so far.I also need to check my Roman history and find out if Nero actually performed miraculous signs, causing fire to come down from Heaven in full view of men, deceived the inhabitants of the Earth, (I'm guessing the entire Earth, which would include Native Americans and Australian aborigines) and whether or not he forced everyone to bear a mark. I don't think that Nero did this, but I'll check anyway.Unless of course Nero is the first Beast mentioned in Revelation 13, in which case he had a fatal wound, which had been healed and the whole World followed him because he was given authority over every, tribe, people and nation (including, I assume Native Americans and Australian Aborigines).Either way, Nero sure knew a lot of people and not a single person on the planet failed to fall under his spell.Then again, it's possible that the whole World doesn't mean the WHOLE world, in which case you can see why I would want to ask my original question in the first place. Also if the whole world doesn't mean the whole world then is it possible that it doesn't mean the 'whole world' later on in Revelations.Just asking - a sensible question I think.It's also possible that Nero is neither of the beasts mentioned in Revelation 13, in which case who are/were those beasts?I'm not being glib here, nor am I claiming to have the answers, in fact I don't. I am genuinely confused.I am simply reading the Bible and trying to understand what I read.

Quick note: it's REVELATION, not Revelations. (Yeah, it sounds like I'm being picky, but there is a reason for that. There is only ONE Revelation (unveiling) in the book, and it is from Jesus to John.)Nero is a head of the Roman Beast. He is the Beast by personfication. Rulers often become synonymous with their nations. A modern example: America. Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy were all at one time, personfications of America. One couldn't really think of the USA without one of these men coming to mind during the time of their rule. And so it was with Nero. Nero persecuted the fledgling church for 42 months. God gave him permission to do it, ostensibly to fulfill the Danielic prophecy. He (Nero) spoke blasphemous things (bringing accusations against) the God of heaven, and his Tabernacle (believers). Nevertheless, it's not Nero who came back to life, but the EMPIRE. Nero's death nearly tore the Empire apart, but it survived. So then, it is not necessary for Nero to have died and then come back to life.

I thought that the revelation was of Jesus Christ. Jesus was revealing Himself as the Lion of David as well as the Lamb of God. We are supposed to keep out eyes on Jesus, not on the things of the world going on around us, aren't we? Just a thought.

[OakWood]

 

 

 

Who is the beast who is thrown alive into the Lake of Fire with the false prophet (Rev 19:20c)

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

 

my personal opinion it is Apollyon

 

I happen to think that the false prophet is Mohammad.  Think about it.  It would have to be a prophet that points to God, but one who does not represent the God of the Bible.  He would also have to be a world wide figure.  I've read that the Dome of the Rock was referred to by the early church as the Desolation of Abomination and have read how the calendar in Daniel points to this fact.  Does it not sit on the temple mount and does it not prevent the return to the worship of God on the Temple Mount?

 

It also strikes me that those who do not receive the mark are beheaded.  Who beheads today?  Are they not Muslims?  Is not Islam the fastest spreading religion on earth?  Are they not the most aggressive spreading religion on earth?  Do they not attempt to incorporate politics with religion?  It all makes too much sense to discount.

 

Again, just my 2 cents.

 

That had crossed my mind too. Whether or not Islam is anything to do with the Beast, it sure points to it.

[Montana Marv]

Islam will be a bygone.

 

If I see things right from Ezk, 38 and 39.  There will be great hordes of armies attacking Israel, which include Persia, Cush (south of Egypt) and Put, and many other nations.  5/6's of these armies will be destroyed (Ezk 39:2 KJV).  What will happen when close to 200 or 300 million Muslim males may die in this battle.  There religion will fall from power.

 

According to Daniels prophecy; there are only four kingdoms represented by the statue King Neby saw.  Babylon being the head of gold, the Meades and Persians being the chest and arms of silver; Greece being the belly and thighs of bronze; and Rome being the legs, feet and toes of iron.  There is no mention of a fifth kingdom of Islam.  It is not there.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[iamlamad]

Islam will be a bygone.

 

If I see things right from Ezk, 38 and 39.  There will be great hordes of armies attacking Israel, which include Persia, Cush (south of Egypt) and Put, and many other nations.  5/6's of these armies will be destroyed (Ezk 39:2 KJV).  What will happen when close to 200 or 300 million Muslim males may die in this battle.  There religion will fall from power.

 

According to Daniels prophecy; there are only four kingdoms represented by the statue King Neby saw.  Babylon being the head of gold, the Meades and Persians being the chest and arms of silver; Greece being the belly and thighs of bronze; and Rome being the legs, feet and toes of iron.  There is no mention of a fifth kingdom of Islam.  It is not there.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

The East leg of Rome covers the Middle East. Move down to the toes. They represent today. What did Daniel write? Iron and clay.

 The strength of iron, as in the same land area of the ancient kingdoms, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Turkey. All these were a part of the Assrian empire, then the Babylonian empire, then the MedoPersian empire, then the Grecian empire, and finally the Roman empire. The other leg would be the European countries. Daniel writes, not only iron, but clay mixed with iron:

 

Dan 2

⁴² And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. ⁴³ As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

 

Iron does not mix with clay, and clay does not mix with iron. Islam WILL NOT MIX with any of these European nations. They will mingle but NOT MIX. They will NOT assimilate and become as the Europeans; they want to turn all these nations into nations governed by Sharia law. Just my opinion.

Edited July 17, 2013 by iamlamad

[Micheal Westin]

I've been thinking about this for some time. Will this directly affect everyone alive or just indirectly?

Not being allowed to buy and sell unless you have the mark, how can this apllied to every single nation and every single person on Earth? Will there be pockets of resistance or pockets of self-sustenance?

I'll give you an example of what I mean:

World War 2 was called World War 2 because it affected the entire World and was a war that spanned the globe. Not every nation was involved however, in fact most were not, but every nation was affected by it in some way or another, either at the time or shortly afterwards. Some nations were hardly affected at all, but nevertheless were acutely aware of what was going on.

Will the reign of the anti-christ be the same? I mean, if it literally does involve submission on the part of every single person on the planet, then who will be there to resist this submission and tell others to resist too? There has to be a resistance movement or free areas that try to fight back.

If the entire World is under submission then how can there be a Mystery Babylon? How can sailors watch her burn from afar (Rev 18:17) and mourn for her? Would the beast allow these sailors to be freely sailing in ships?

I see there's a lot of different opinions, some even saying the antichrist has already come, which is by far the most unbiblical teaching concerning the matter, since the second coming of Christ is tied to the fall of the antichrist as witnessed in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then the lawless one will be revealed, Whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming"

As for having control over the whole earth I would have to say according to Daniel 11:41 some will escape his control, but it must be mentioned that the king of the south is just as bent on evil as the antichrist, so it will probably be much like our choices for president which is the lesser of two evils? considering all but 42 of 43 presidents are all related and come from one common ancestor its no doubt that some principality or power is at work in our own government, giving the façade of choice in those we elect, when both candidates are from the same family line

the mathematical odds of such a coincidence is astronomical, it might be said it would be easier to win the lottery having never bought a ticket