Did Jesus Claim Divinity or Prophethood?

[Trinity]

Are you a Oneness? do you believe Jesus is the Father and the Holy spirit?

Please guys let borntorebel answer this because i want to stay on subject here. Because we all believe Jesus is God we need to prove that not anything else

[larryt]

 

God's Word very clearly states that there is no other name under heaven by which men are Saved. Jesus Christ.

According to what you said, everyone is going to hell before Jesus(peace be upon him) time. And if im wrong, please show me where in the Bible it says they wont? Because your stance is if you don't belive in Jesus(peace be upon him) youll go to hell,

Peace be upon you and I hope you try to SEEK the Truth, not what you want to believe or hear

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Hi Nazim,

Before Jesus came to earth many looked forward to His coming. Going all the way back to Cain and Abel. Abel believed God by bringing the proper sacrifice and Cain did not.(Gen. 4) Then with Seth - Noah they too looked forward to the future coming of the Messiah.(Hebrews 11) Abraham, Isaac , Jacob, and many many more all believed that Messiah would come and take away their sins. Jesus referred to them when He said God is the God of the living not the dead. Implying that they were alive and Jesus had not died yet. None of us are saying that the OT saints are going to hell because the lived before the time of Jesus. I'm not in heaven yet but I look forward to going there. They lived before Jesus but looked forward to His coming.

God is a just God. He won't send anyone to hell who doesn't deserve to go. You have been hearing about Jesus though. You won't have the excuse that you didn't live in a time that you couldn't hear.

LT

[borntorebel]

Trinity says,

Are you a Oneness? do you believe Jesus is the Father and the Holy spirit?

No Trinity, I'm not a "Oneness" (I assume you mean Oneness pentecostal). I don't believe that Jesus is the Father or the holy spirit. God is the Father, Jesus is His only begotten Son, and also God, and the holy spirit is the spirit of God which came out from God. They aren't three parts of a fabled trinity. Was that a good enough answer for you Trinity?

May God's grace, power and peace be with you,

Ron

[followerofjesus]

Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah9:6-7).

Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).

Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered

none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION

(Acts 3:19).

Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29, 35).

Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians

1:10).

Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his

enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word

of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe

and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own

blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father,

forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved

a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers

share in that victory (John 16:33).

Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by

love (2 Corinthians 5:14).

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out

their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their

inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew

5:9).

Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by

cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply

grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name

only(the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly

follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and

peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their

Founder (Romans 12:17-21).

Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in

his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world,

for God knows all things and can inspire (and preserve) His Word in more

than one language.

Mohammed hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the

Apostle

commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19,

Colossians 3:16).

Mohammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a

terrorist and an amoral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a

leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when

this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from

leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20).

Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other

aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in

Paradise. The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total

change of his life by the Spirit of God -- NO area of life and thought is the

choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2).

The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be

virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation.

The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ

and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Mohammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness

of a man; and Muhammed said a woman goes to Paradise because she satisfies

her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife

and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25).

Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is

not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants

fight . . . but now is My kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36).

Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A. Guillaume, The Life of

Muhammad,Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).

The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244); The Bible

says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our

warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).

The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them"

(Qu'ran9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers"

(Qu'ran 8.12); God inspires His terror into the hearts of believers

(Isaiah8:13).

The Koran (Qu'ran) is a terrorist manual which condones fighting,

conflict,terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam;

The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the

world(Romans 10:15).

Mohammed's Mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission

was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2

Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).

Mohammed considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced Mohammed

to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).

Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that

He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).

Islam is geocentric, that is, the whole universe is centered on the

Kaaba in the Grand Mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that

direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and

fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on

earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23).

Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!

Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it:

The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive,

and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16).

Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations; Those who

leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge.

Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah?

NO!

He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear.

The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love. 1 John

4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear:

because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (John

4:19)

We love him, because he first loved us.

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Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah9:6-7).

Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).

Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered

none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION

(Acts 3:19).

Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29, 35).

Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians

1:10).

Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his

enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word

of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe

and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own

blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father,

forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved

a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers

share in that victory (John 16:33).

Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by

love (2 Corinthians 5:14).

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out

their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their

inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew

5:9).

Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by

cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply

grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name

only(the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly

follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and

peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their

Founder (Romans 12:17-21).

Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in

his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world,

for God knows all things and can inspire (and preserve) His Word in more

than one language.

Mohammed hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the

Apostle

commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19,

Colossians 3:16).

Mohammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a

terrorist and an amoral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a

leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when

this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from

leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20).

Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other

aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in

Paradise. The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total

change of his life by the Spirit of God -- NO area of life and thought is the

choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2).

The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be

virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation.

The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ

and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Mohammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness

of a man; and Muhammed said a woman goes to Paradise because she satisfies

her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife

and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25).

Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is

not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants

fight . . . but now is My kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36).

Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A. Guillaume, The Life of

Muhammad,Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).

The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244); The Bible

says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our

warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).

The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them"

(Qu'ran9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers"

(Qu'ran 8.12); God inspires His terror into the hearts of believers

(Isaiah8:13).

The Koran (Qu'ran) is a terrorist manual which condones fighting,

conflict,terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam;

The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the

world(Romans 10:15).

Mohammed's Mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission

was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2

Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).

Mohammed considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced Mohammed

to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).

Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that

He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).

Islam is geocentric, that is, the whole universe is centered on the

Kaaba in the Grand Mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that

direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and

fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on

earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23).

Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!

Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it:

The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive,

and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16).

Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations; Those who

leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge.

Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah?

NO!

He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear.

The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love. 1 John

4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear:

because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (John

4:19)

We love him, because he first loved us.

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Great Post. May it convict as many "christians" in hear as well as Nazim

All praise the Ancient Of Days

[Trinity]

Great TRUTHFUL post.

[Guest Nazim Ali]

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam Alaykoum,

Ok, i've read the post and you guys have NO EVIDENCE! You only type your opinions, other people opinions, and take everything out of context! This is too funny and your making this way too easy for me. Let me post some HISTORICAL FACTS.

Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah9:6-7).

Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).

Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) ONLY went to war when Muslims were being persecuted for their beliefs. How is that not justified?

When did he PROMOTE persecution? Please bring evidence instead of false claims.

Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered

none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

I dont see anything wrong with people defending themselves. When the Muslims made a peace treaty with the Pagans, the Pagens broke their treaty and killed Muslims just for making a pilgrimage. Now, if Christians were being killed and said to they weren't allowed to make their pilgrimage, shouldn't they have the right to fight for their rights?

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

doesn't sound so peaceful does it?

Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION

(Acts 3:19).

Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29, 35).

Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians

1:10).

Sounds like a bed time story Nothing wrong with being a warrior.

Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his

enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word

of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe

and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own

blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father,

forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) NEVER said covert or die. Either you bring proof or your just a liar.

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

it says to kill people who worhsip other Gods! Wheres religious freedom???

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved

a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers

share in that victory (John 16:33).

Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by

love (2 Corinthians 5:14).

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out

their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their

inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew

5:9).

Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by

cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply

grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name

only(the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

You just disproved yourself! If you say the atrocities committed by Christians in the past weren't Christians, then why do you apply that to Muslims??

I follow the Sunnah and I dent celebrate the killings of innocents, Muslim or non-Muslim. If you read the Bible CAREFULLY, you'll see genocide, rape, murder..etc. Let me post some examples:

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

It says to KILL ALL NONBELIEVERS...this isn't out of context like how people do that with the Quran, this is saying EVERYONE

(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

KIDNAPPING! RAPE! FORCED MARRIAGES! Please explain this to me

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly

follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and

peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their

Founder (Romans 12:17-21).

According to the verses above, since you follow Christianity STRICTLY, you have to kill all the unbelievers if you truly are a Christian.

Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in

his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world,

for God knows all things and can inspire (and preserve) His Word in more

than one language.

That was a smart thing to say. So now i can explain why. When people read the Quran, they see some errors or contradictions, but when you read it in Arabic and understand the language then youll truly understand the Quran. The Bible has been corrupted because people started writing their own interpretations of the scriptures.

Arabic is a beautiful language and i see nothing wrong with it. Even those who aren't Muslim or speak Arabic admits that.

Mohammed hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the

Apostle

commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19,

Colossians 3:16).

Music diverts you from the way of God. When people listen to music they dent think about God anymore, they only think of themselves or this worldly life.

Mohammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a

terrorist and an amoral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a

leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when

this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from

leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20).

I dont think so. SHOW ME PROOF!

Quran 16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).

Quran 88:21, 22; also see 24:54 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)

"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)

"Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)

"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari)

Quran 5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other

aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in

Paradise. The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total

change of his life by the Spirit of God -- NO area of life and thought is the

choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2).

The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be

virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation.

The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ

and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Again, where is your proof? You claimed all our other aspects of life can be vulgar, but which parts are you talking about? Since every aspect is talked about in hadiths and the Quran.

Your right about one thing, the Bible doesn't tell you how to live your life. Many Christians complain about morality and when females dress like whores, the Bible doesn't say anything against it.

I dont think anyone will have problems with what he/she get in paradise.

Mohammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness

of a man; and Muhammed said a woman goes to Paradise because she satisfies

her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife

and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25).

It is not true that two female witnesses are always considered as equal to only one male witness. It is true only in certain cases. There are about five verses in the Qur

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[Yahsway]

For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal

They are Mighty in Yah.

For the pulling down of every stronghold

Thru the power of the Holy Spirit

Thru the power of the LIVING WORD.

And though were only humans living in this present world

Our warfare is not with FLESH AND BLOOD

We have weapons that are Yah empowerd

For the pulling down of every STONGHOLD.

I believe in Yah the Father

Maker of Heaven and Earth

And in Yeshua His only Son

Born of a virgin birth

I believe Yahs Holy Spirit

Still endwells the hearts of men

I believe that Prayer in aswered

When in FAITH I call on Him

Holy Is He. Amien.

[Guest Nazim Ali]

And though were only humans living in this present world

Our warfare is not with FLESH AND BLOOD

according to all the verses i posted from the Bible, warfare is of flesh and blood.

[ayin jade]

And though were only humans living in this present world

Our warfare is not with FLESH AND BLOOD

according to all the verses i posted from the Bible, warfare is of flesh and blood.

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Ephesians 6:10-18

10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

This passage clearly shows that we fight satan in this world.