Abortion apologetics

[wonby1]

Are you tired of being ridiculed for being against abortion because you are a Christian?  Are you tired of people assuming that they must accept the Bible in order to sell the notion that abortion is murder?  Do what I do, tell them that they must believe in the birth fairy as she waves her magic wand over the child as it passes out of the womb to make it human.

 

 

 

 

[Willa]

I ususally ask the people if the DNA is human? allegator? dog?. It is human, of course..

Then does it have dividing cells? Is it growing? That points to life.

Is the DNA that of the mother, the father or both. If both that means it is a unique human being and not a piece of the mother's tissue.

So if the cells are unique, human, alive and growing, that means it is human life from the point of conception. Why is this so hard for you? I thought is was some religeous notion that a baby isn't alive till after it is born. All I know that the notion is ridiculous and cannot be substantiated by science.

[JohnD]

My reply is, abortion is the result of fornication. 

 

Fix the fornication conflagration and 99.99% of abortions will never happen.

[enoob57]

The specific is they want the pleasure without the cost... circumventing God is satanic tactics from day one of his fall...

Isn't it also telling that the cost of this evil is the innocent!  Love, Steven

[MorningGlory]

The specific is they want the pleasure without the cost... circumventing God is satanic tactics from day one of his fall...

Isn't it also telling that the cost of this evil is the innocent!  Love, Steven

 

 

You are absolutely spot on with the above statement, Steven. 

[MorningGlory]

 

Are you tired of being ridiculed for being against abortion because you are a Christian?  Are you tired of people assuming that they must accept the Bible in order to sell the notion that abortion is murder?  Do what I do, tell them that they must believe in the birth fairy as she waves her magic wand over the child as it passes out of the womb to make it human.

 

 

Ask them if they are happy their mother chose to not abort.  They will push you aside, no really, how many of those aborted fetuses do you think, if they were your age, would rather have had a mother that didn't abort. They will push you aside, with women's rights, THEN you ask them, so if the fetus is female, who's rights win?  at around 24 -26 weeks, the child has a high chance of surviving.  If that is the case, the mother deprives that child the chance to survive.  

 

The problem here is this. 

 

Religion should have nothing to do with it.  The Bible doesn't address it, so it should be left out of it.  Separate religion from it and go for it.  Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, none of them tried to legislate our faith. 

 

It falls under 'thou shalt not murder'; see the Ten Commandments.

[MorningGlory]

 

 

 

Are you tired of being ridiculed for being against abortion because you are a Christian?  Are you tired of people assuming that they must accept the Bible in order to sell the notion that abortion is murder?  Do what I do, tell them that they must believe in the birth fairy as she waves her magic wand over the child as it passes out of the womb to make it human.

 

 

Ask them if they are happy their mother chose to not abort.  They will push you aside, no really, how many of those aborted fetuses do you think, if they were your age, would rather have had a mother that didn't abort. They will push you aside, with women's rights, THEN you ask them, so if the fetus is female, who's rights win?  at around 24 -26 weeks, the child has a high chance of surviving.  If that is the case, the mother deprives that child the chance to survive.  

 

The problem here is this. 

 

Religion should have nothing to do with it.  The Bible doesn't address it, so it should be left out of it.  Separate religion from it and go for it.  Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, none of them tried to legislate our faith. 

 

It falls under 'thou shalt not murder'; see the Ten Commandments.

 

So? 

 

It says thou shalt not lie, but you don't have rabid Xian groups running around trying to humiliate and shame liars.  Most of them ARE liars. 

 

Here's a deal for you.  The fetus is killed, it's not murder.  Look up what a murder is.  Funny how we take murder and change that word's meaning to suit our emotional cause but complain when the glbt community wants to use the word marriage and we gripe about that one. 

 

Of course, we feel we have the moral right on our side.  But here's a tad of scripture for you, this government is god Appointed, to do His will.  God doesn't need us to force the government to behave for him.  If the govt saw a reason to make it legal, then, for a time at least, that is God's Will.  

The Church of Christ's body is not here to gripe at governments and try to legislate our faith.  Our job is to reach out to the individuals, have relationships with them and affect their lives and their decisions through our relationships.  That doesn't occur with picket signs at an abortion clinic.  And it surely doesn't occur by making the government appease our moral view and force it on the world.  

 

The prior spreads God's love, the latter makes God to be a FASCIST to any who are curious and not in a relationship with HIm. 

God put the jews through many trials and hardships to teach them lessons.  Perhaps that is what is going on now with Abortions, it is occurring for a reason we don't understand but is in God's plan.  Do you feel good battling AGAINST God's plan?  This was a really impossible lesson for me to learn.  His plan may cover some rough times, but there is a picture bigger than I can fathom that He's painting. 

 

Scripture says that government is there at God's appointing.  It doesn't, ANYWHERE, give an example of standing against the government in a way such as this, trying to force legislation regarding our faiths.  AND WE ABSOLUTELY KNOW FOR AN UNDENIABLE FACT THAT ABORTIONS OCCURRED DURING THE TIME CHRIST WALKED ON EARTH!

 

So, if it was more important than love neighbor, I'm sure JESUS would have seen to it being recorded.  But for a wisdom bigger than yours or mine, HE spent his time discussing love, and describing what that looks like. 

 

This raving and screaming NO ABORTIONS< PASS LAWS group of the Xian evangelical faith is not consistent with the picture Jesus painted.   They may do it because they have convinced themselves it needs to be done, but they are doing it against the teachings of Jesus and doing it to appease their emotions, not the Bible's description of the role of the Church. 

 

No offense but you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.  The bolded, underlined sentence above is irrelevant; it was a sin then and it is now  Killing a person is murder and no amount of word gymnastics will change that. 

[Lek]

That sounds kind of silly MorningGlory.  The government sanctioned slavery and Jesus didn't specifically refer to slavery, so I guess we shouldn't have spoken out about that.  We also shouldn't have spoken out about the muder of the Jews under the Nazi regime.  After all, they were the God-appointed government.  God appointed the government to keep law and order, but doesn't give them free reign to oppose Him. 

[nebula]

That sounds kind of silly MorningGlory.  The government sanctioned slavery and Jesus didn't specifically refer to slavery, so I guess we shouldn't have spoken out about that.  We also shouldn't have spoken out about the muder of the Jews under the Nazi regime.  After all, they were the God-appointed government.  God appointed the government to keep law and order, but doesn't give them free reign to oppose Him. 

 

  MG was responding to Xian Pugalist - he's the one who said those things.

[nebula]

It says thou shalt not lie, but you don't have rabid Xian groups running around trying to humiliate and shame liars.  Most of them ARE liars. 

 

Here's a deal for you.  The fetus is killed, it's not murder.  Look up what a murder is.  Funny how we take murder and change that word's meaning to suit our emotional cause but complain when the glbt community wants to use the word marriage and we gripe about that one. 

 

How is the premeditated killing of another human being not murder?

 

 

Of course, we feel we have the moral right on our side.  But here's a tad of scripture for you, this government is god Appointed, to do His will.  God doesn't need us to force the government to behave for him.  If the govt saw a reason to make it legal, then, for a time at least, that is God's Will.

 

So, would you say that not a single national government can be guilty of human rights violations?

 

Will you support the North Korean government in starving its people using this argument? How about the Nazi concentration camps? Or Sharia Law in Muslim countries that puts to death non-Muslims and cuts off the hands of anyone accused of thievery?

 

 

The Church of Christ's body is not here to gripe at governments and try to legislate our faith.  Our job is to reach out to the individuals, have relationships with them and affect their lives and their decisions through our relationships.  That doesn't occur with picket signs at an abortion clinic.  And it surely doesn't occur by making the government appease our moral view and force it on the world.

 

Our government - on paper at least - is run by the Constitution, which obligates the citizens of this nation to participate in governmental affairs. The Law of our Land dictates to us to be involved.

 

So to tell us to keep out of politics, you are telling us to go against our "God-appointed government."

 

 

The prior spreads God's love, the latter makes God to be a FASCIST to any who are curious and not in a relationship with HIm. 

 

Would you say that about adultery, coveting, greed, stealing, fraud, etc.?

 

 

God put the jews through many trials and hardships to teach them lessons.  Perhaps that is what is going on now with Abortions, it is occurring for a reason we don't understand but is in God's plan.  Do you feel good battling AGAINST God's plan?  This was a really impossible lesson for me to learn.  His plan may cover some rough times, but there is a picture bigger than I can fathom that He's painting.

 

I have yet to find anything in the Scriptures that indicates God condones sin. Rather, God has many harsh words against nations who legislate sin.

 

 

Scripture says that government is there at God's appointing.  It doesn't, ANYWHERE, give an example of standing against the government in a way such as this, trying to force legislation regarding our faiths.

 

Again, it is in the Law of our Land for us to do such things.

 

 

 AND WE ABSOLUTELY KNOW FOR AN UNDENIABLE FACT THAT ABORTIONS OCCURRED DURING THE TIME CHRIST WALKED ON EARTH!

 

 

Would you please provide your source data for this?

 

And can you show this happened in Judea?

 

 

So, if it was more important than love neighbor, I'm sure JESUS would have seen to it being recorded.  But for a wisdom bigger than yours or mine, HE spent his time discussing love, and describing what that looks like.

 

 

Jesus didn't talk about animal rights and domestic violence, either.

 

Yes, He talked of love, but He also never gave licenses for sin.

 

Do you truly believe that God's love compromises His holiness?

 

 

This raving and screaming NO ABORTIONS< PASS LAWS group of the Xian evangelical faith is not consistent with the picture Jesus painted.   They may do it because they have convinced themselves it needs to be done, but they are doing it against the teachings of Jesus and doing it to appease their emotions, not the Bible's description of the role of the Church.

 

Prov. 31

8 Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. 9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.