What do you think about breastfeeding? Cover or no cover?

[firestormx]

 

My response is read my post #236

 

While that doesn't answer the question of how it could be loving to a mother to demand she feed her baby on a toilet . . . .

 

 

Let me see if I'm getting this right? You have been just as hurt by feminism as I have been hurt by chauvenism.

 

Perhaps that's why neither of us can give the other a little room?

 

Nebula,

First, can we please keep this civil with a Christian attitude if we are going to do this here?

 

I honestly believe that neither a nursing mother or those around her are exempt from showing grace and love. We are to esteem others better than ourselves, according to the word. While nursing in a bathroom is not anyone's idea of a good solution, it's an unbelievable example of an act of grace and love by a mother to her brothers and sisters in Christ. Did you read GE example/story? The mother did no wrong. I think She was mistreated by the 2 men. Did you read my example/story? I truly think it was the mother who was not acting in love and showing grace. I think those 2 examples exemplify what I have been saying the entire time. Of course a nursing mother should be treated with respect and love and grace. But that does not give the mother the right to ignore biblical guidelines.

 

I have heard many sermons on the part of the bible where the woman taken in adultery is brought before Jesus. Not 1 time have I ever heard a male preacher point out, "Where was the man? By the law, both man and woman caught in adultery should have been stoned. Why didn't they bring the man? Why just the woman? ". A male dominate attitude does prevail in a lot of areas in all walks of life. Even Christianity. I get it, I really do.

 

I guess I just equate my example/story as being no different than a breastfeeding sit-in protest. Have you heard or seen of these? I think there is no greater example of using it to put on a show than that. I understand they want and deserve to be treated with respect. But that doesn't mean they can show no respect to anyone else if they are disrespected or until they get the respect they feel they deserve. How is that a Christ like attitude. Christ would always treat nursing women with love, grace and respect. But if Christ was the nursing mother, he would show equal love, grace and respect to everyone else. Not intentionally imposing when it may cause harm to another.

 

Yes, I have been hurt badly by feminism. I try ( I really do ) not to let it cause offense to others. I don't want anyone to go through what I suffered.

 

Firestormx

Joseph

Edited August 13, 2013 by firestormx

[GoldenEagle]

Okay folks. This is about to be shut down if we can't respect each other and converse with grace.
 

Debate the subject and not the person. Respect each other in the love of God!

 

It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating.

Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person.

 

 

 

I think we're all looking at this from our own perspective... Like 2 sides of a coin.

 or 

[MorningGlory]

 

 They ... just stared her down

 

That just really irks me - they were "uncomfortable" with her nursing her baby, yet they kept staring at her.

 

I know people think this is "unchristian" but some people just need a good wallop.

 

 

 

Why yes....yes they do!  I will volunteer to give them one. 

[nebula]

 

 

My response is read my post #236

 

While that doesn't answer the question of how it could be loving to a mother to demand she feed her baby on a toilet . . . .

 

 

Let me see if I'm getting this right? You have been just as hurt by feminism as I have been hurt by chauvenism.

 

Perhaps that's why neither of us can give the other a little room?

 

Nebula,

First, can we please keep this civil with a Christian attitude if we are going to do this here?

 

I honestly believe that neither a nursing mother or those around her are exempt from showing grace and love. We are to esteem others better than ourselves, according to the word. While nursing in a bathroom is not anyone's idea of a good solution, it's an unbelievable example of an act of grace and love by a mother to her brothers and sisters in Christ. Did you read GE example/story? The mother did no wrong. I think She was mistreated by the 2 men. Did you read my example/story? I truly think it was the mother who was not acting in love and showing grace. I think those 2 examples exemplify what I have been saying the entire time. Of course a nursing mother should be treated with respect and love and grace. But that does not give the mother the right to ignore biblical guidelines.

 

I have heard many sermons on the part of the bible where the woman taken in adultery is brought before Jesus. Not 1 time have I ever heard a male preacher point out, "Where was the man? By the law, both man and woman caught in adultery should have been stoned. Why didn't they bring the man? Why just the woman? ". A male dominate attitude does prevail in a lot of areas in all walks of life. Even Christianity. I get it, I really do.

 

I guess I just equate my example/story as being no different than a breastfeeding sit-in protest. Have you heard or seen of these? I think there is no greater example of using it to put on a show than that. I understand they want and deserve to be treated with respect. But that doesn't mean they can show no respect to anyone else if they are disrespected or until they get the respect they feel they deserve. How is that a Christ like attitude. Christ would always treat nursing women with love, grace and respect. But if Christ was the nursing mother, he would show equal love, grace and respect to everyone else. Not intentionally imposing when it may cause harm to another.

 

Yes, I have been hurt badly by feminism. I try ( I really do ) not to let it cause offense to others. I don't want anyone to go through what I suffered.

 

Firestormx

Joseph

 

 

I have been hurt most of my life by some men who kept blaming everything wrong with their life on the woman. If something goes wrong with a marriage, it's the woman's fault. If a man feels lack of esteem, it's the woman's fault. On and on.

 

I hope that helps explain why I've been so emotional in my responses?

 

Many years ago, I listened to a friend relaying how hurt and angry and demeaned she felt when at a fast food restaurant, discreetly covering herself and her baby as she nursed, the manager came over to her and asked her to do this in the bathroom. "How could  he ask me to sit on the toilet to feed my baby? Would he sit on the toilet to eat his dinner?" she cried. It made an impression on me.

 

I can't judge why the woman in your story sat by the door. But I can agree that with the offer of assistance, it would have been better for her to move to a more discreet location. And I can understand and appreciate why you would feel offended by her attitude.

 

Believe it or not, I don't like push-over feminism, either.

 

After seeing what my sister-in-law has to go through taking care of her babies, though, my heart is more open to compassion towards mothers in the same boat.

 

And I also have to wonder, if I ever have a baby, will I be able to handle the 24-7-365 never-ending care I have to spend on this little person? Then add to this I have to worry about other people?   It is very frightening and overwhelming.

 

I hope this makes sense to you.

 

 

I apologize for stomping on your woundedness. It is said that hurt people hurt people, and I believe that's what we've done to each other. Please forgive me.

[firestormx]

 

 

 

My response is read my post #236

 

While that doesn't answer the question of how it could be loving to a mother to demand she feed her baby on a toilet . . . .

 

 

Let me see if I'm getting this right? You have been just as hurt by feminism as I have been hurt by chauvenism.

 

Perhaps that's why neither of us can give the other a little room?

 

Nebula,

First, can we please keep this civil with a Christian attitude if we are going to do this here?

 

I honestly believe that neither a nursing mother or those around her are exempt from showing grace and love. We are to esteem others better than ourselves, according to the word. While nursing in a bathroom is not anyone's idea of a good solution, it's an unbelievable example of an act of grace and love by a mother to her brothers and sisters in Christ. Did you read GE example/story? The mother did no wrong. I think She was mistreated by the 2 men. Did you read my example/story? I truly think it was the mother who was not acting in love and showing grace. I think those 2 examples exemplify what I have been saying the entire time. Of course a nursing mother should be treated with respect and love and grace. But that does not give the mother the right to ignore biblical guidelines.

 

I have heard many sermons on the part of the bible where the woman taken in adultery is brought before Jesus. Not 1 time have I ever heard a male preacher point out, "Where was the man? By the law, both man and woman caught in adultery should have been stoned. Why didn't they bring the man? Why just the woman? ". A male dominate attitude does prevail in a lot of areas in all walks of life. Even Christianity. I get it, I really do.

 

I guess I just equate my example/story as being no different than a breastfeeding sit-in protest. Have you heard or seen of these? I think there is no greater example of using it to put on a show than that. I understand they want and deserve to be treated with respect. But that doesn't mean they can show no respect to anyone else if they are disrespected or until they get the respect they feel they deserve. How is that a Christ like attitude. Christ would always treat nursing women with love, grace and respect. But if Christ was the nursing mother, he would show equal love, grace and respect to everyone else. Not intentionally imposing when it may cause harm to another.

 

Yes, I have been hurt badly by feminism. I try ( I really do ) not to let it cause offense to others. I don't want anyone to go through what I suffered.

 

Firestormx

Joseph

 

 

I have been hurt most of my life by some men who kept blaming everything wrong with their life on the woman. If something goes wrong with a marriage, it's the woman's fault. If a man feels lack of esteem, it's the woman's fault. On and on.

 

I hope that helps explain why I've been so emotional in my responses?

 

Many years ago, I listened to a friend relaying how hurt and angry and demeaned she felt when at a fast food restaurant, discreetly covering herself and her baby as she nursed, the manager came over to her and asked her to do this in the bathroom. "How could  he ask me to sit on the toilet to feed my baby? Would he sit on the toilet to eat his dinner?" she cried. It made an impression on me.

 

I can't judge why the woman in your story sat by the door. But I can agree that with the offer of assistance, it would have been better for her to move to a more discreet location. And I can understand and appreciate why you would feel offended by her attitude.

 

Believe it or not, I don't like push-over feminism, either.

 

After seeing what my sister-in-law has to go through taking care of her babies, though, my heart is more open to compassion towards mothers in the same boat.

 

And I also have to wonder, if I ever have a baby, will I be able to handle the 24-7-365 never-ending care I have to spend on this little person? Then add to this I have to worry about other people?   It is very frightening and overwhelming.

 

I hope this makes sense to you.

 

 

I apologize for stomping on your woundedness. It is said that hurt people hurt people, and I believe that's what we've done to each other. Please forgive me.

 

of course your forgiven, and please forgive me for causing you pain.

 

This is just very troubling for me personally. It's not appropriate to go into here, and I won't.

 

I guess part of my personal frustration comes from the whole " me generation attitude ". Not saying you, just so tired of people never considering anyone but themselves.

 

Anyways, God bless you Nebula. I pray you find peace in Jesus with all the issues with men from your past. Whatever they may be.

 

Firestormx

Joseph

[Willa]

Our state provides freedom to breast feed publicly without covering the baby. Except in extreme heat, I would feel better being covered in such cases. In a group of women only I might not cover myself and the child.

At the work place it is required that a woman be provided a sanitary place to pump her breasts in private. Our church provides a seperate room for mothers who wish to breast feed.

Most of my over the hill generation still prefers to be as modest as possible. my mother in law thought it to be an outrage that my daughter in law breast fed her children till around 18 months. I was outraged that she would think less of her for doing it.

[nebula]

of course your forgiven, and please forgive me for causing you pain.

 

This is just very troubling for me personally. It's not appropriate to go into here, and I won't.

 

I guess part of my personal frustration comes from the whole " me generation attitude ". Not saying you, just so tired of people never considering anyone but themselves.

 

Anyways, God bless you Nebula. I pray you find peace in Jesus with all the issues with men from your past. Whatever they may be.

 

Firestormx

Joseph

 

 

Thank-you, and you too!

[Guest man]

 

 

For that matter, when I mentioned to my husband about guys here claiming men are tempted with lust at seeing a woman breastfeeding without a cover, he gave a look of disgust and said something to the affect of, "Those guys [the ones lusting] have a problem."

So when someone admits that this is a stumbling block for them, the correct response is, the problem is theirs, not mine?

 

No one said anything about how to respond to someone.

 

 

 

I posted a verse from Corinthians. I'll post it again if you want.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We were referring to the anonymous men who were being referred to.

 

 

 

So because the ones that are stumbling are strangers, it's ok to stray from the Word?

[Guest man]

 

I think we're all looking at this from our own perspective... Like 2 sides of a coin.

 

 

 

How are we supposed to look at it? 

[GoldenEagle]

I think we're all looking at this from our own perspective... Like 2 sides of a coin.

How are we supposed to look at it?

With grace?