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Does God DESIRE to save everyone?

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I'm defending the belief that God does not predestine his children,

that he loves ALL of humanity..

and ALL human beings have a choice to choose salvation or death.

If God predestine's his children, then what's the point of preaching.

 

Matthew 11:28 Come to me, ALL who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

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JDavis
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You forgot one... (God is strong enough to save everyone) + (God does want everyone to be saved) = Everyone that wants to be saved is saved

missmuffet
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DRS,I don't think God chooses.I think God wants everyone to go to Heaven and be saved.I think WE choose.Life is full of choices and that is one of them.Where do you want to spend your eternity?Heaven

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Hi DRS81,     I think you have gotten a straight answer from every single one of our brothers and sisters on this topic,their answers.....I have posted my view earlier on and I truly believe that bec

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I agree.I think God wants everyone to come to Salvation and be saved. 

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Whatever God wants = He gets.

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IMO most Believers forget that God has Foreknowledge, so who He Foreknew would come to His Son Jesus as their Redeeemer, He also predestinated.  But we as Christians do not have His Foreknowledge so we need to be out working His harvest (Matthew 9:36-38).

 

Romans 8:29

For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

I remember a story of Charles H. Spurgeon being asked why did he preach the Gospel to everyone, and not to just the Elect, he replied you show me the Elect and I will preach to just them, but otherwise he didn't know who they where and didn't want any blood on his hands.

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Example 1: Say God creates humanity in mothers womb. Today God creates a baby named Joseph Dunn. God says, "Ok, I'm gonna create Joseph Dunn. He's gonna live till he's 72 years old and have 5 grandchildren. He's gonna have a good wife and a good life, but he's gonna go to hell when he dies. Today God creates a baby named Michael Jennings. God says, "Ok, I'm gonna create Michael Jennings. He's gonna live till he's 87 years old and have 2 grandchildren. He's gonna have a good wife and a good life, and he's gonna go to heaven when he dies.

 

Example 2: Say you end up getting married and having 4 children. How many of those children do you love? Do you love only 3 out of 4, or maybe you only love two of your children. God says, "Even though I have created you from your mothers womb  I do not love all of you, just some of you. Aren't we saying here that God is a mass murdering psychopathic, that maybe is worse than Hitler.

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Another way of framing the discussion:

 

(GOD IS strong enough to save everyone) + (GOD DOES NOT want to save everyone) = Everyone IS NOT saved

 

(GOD IS NOT strong enough to save everyone) + (GOD DOES want to save everyone) = Everyone IS NOT saved 

 

(GOD IS strong enough to save everyone) + (GOD DOES want to save everyone) = Everyone IS saved

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Another way of framing the discussion:

(GOD IS strong enough to save everyone) + (GOD DOES NOT want to save everyone) = Everyone IS NOT saved

(GOD IS NOT strong enough to save everyone) + (GOD DOES want to save everyone) = Everyone IS NOT saved

(GOD IS strong enough to save everyone) + (GOD DOES want to save everyone) = Everyone IS saved

You forgot one...

(God is strong enough to save everyone) + (God does want everyone to be saved) = Everyone that wants to be saved is saved

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God is outside of our time and even created time

He wants us to choose to be with Him for eternity. He does not want to force us to be with Him against our wills.

So He chose all who will desire salvation in His Son.

Since He is outside of time, he can forsee those who will choose Him, and He predestins them to salvation.

It is His will that all should receive Him, but He leaves the choice to us.

1 Peter 1:1-5

To those---who are CHOSEN ACCORDING TO THE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD THE FATHER, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood:---Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an (imperishable and undefiled inheritance that) will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. NASB.

God leaves the choice to us. But He chooses those whom He can forsee will Choose Him. He predestins them to salvation. Since everyone is bound for hell by default, only those who choose Christ escape hell. Their names are written in the Lambs Book of Life.

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God leaves the choice to us. But He chooses those whom He can forsee will Choose Him. He predestins them to salvation. Since everyone is bound for hell by default, only those who choose Christ escape hell. Their names are written in the Lambs Book of Life.

 

But where's the "choice" if God's omniscience is more notable than our free will. God leaves the choice to us, but HE chooses?? I don't understand, which one is it?

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Another way of framing the discussion:

(GOD IS strong enough to save everyone) + (GOD DOES NOT want to save everyone) = Everyone IS NOT saved

(GOD IS NOT strong enough to save everyone) + (GOD DOES want to save everyone) = Everyone IS NOT saved

(GOD IS strong enough to save everyone) + (GOD DOES want to save everyone) = Everyone IS saved

You forgot one...

(God is strong enough to save everyone) + (God does want everyone to be saved) = Everyone that wants to be saved is saved

 

So what happens when one wants to be saved but one is not one of the ones God wants to be saved?

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